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[quote=Dirtbag359;641452]Allen had a reputation of [B]drafting OL, early and often[/B].



Lol, this is our Super Bowl, at least for the foreseeable future.[/quote]

Fuck yeah!

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;641451]Right now, i see Snyder manipulating the fans into thinking something's changed when, really, nothing has. The dysfunctional front office structure remains the same - only the players have changed. If you didn't get a chance to listen to Mike Wilbon on the Tony Kornheiser show this morning, then you should.

A character in Snatch said, "Don't piss in my bucket and tell me its raining." By all apperanaces, that's exactly whats happening here. Snyder fired one yes-man and hired another. Allen has never been a "real" GM before. He's only been a yes man. If Snyder wanted a real GM, he wouldnt have hired Allen. Snyder has lead a dysfunctional franchise for so long, he doesn't deserve us to suddenly beleive he has changed now. He doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt.

Time will tell, but i'm remaining skeptical until proven otherwise.[/quote]

The fact that Marty and Beathard both are effusive in praise of this move and Dan in this move argues against that.

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[quote=12thMan;641455]The Bruce Allen presser was pretty good. He didn't throw anything out there to make you think Zorn is staying or going, but if I had to read between the lines I think Mr. Portis is done here.

Allen said he's a [B]big proponent of practicing 52 weeks a year[/B]; Not a good one here and there. He also said that the team will be cap ready regardless of what happens with the CBA. Didn't committ on Zorn one way or another, but for the first time I'm starting to believe Zorn is gone too.[/quote]

I liked that!

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;641425]A 9-7 season which is the culmination of 5 years with more losses than wins is nothing to be proud about. 9-7 is mediocre. allen and gruden's record together was very mediocre.[/quote]
A decade with 5 divisional championships is way below my standards too.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;641451]Right now, i see Snyder manipulating the fans into thinking something's changed when, really, nothing has. The dysfunctional front office structure remains the same - only the players have changed. If you didn't get a chance to listen to Mike Wilbon on the Tony Kornheiser show this morning, then you should.

A character in Snatch said, "Don't piss in my bucket and tell me its raining." By all apperanaces, that's exactly whats happening here. Snyder fired one yes-man and hired another. Allen has never been a "real" GM before. He's only been a yes man. If Snyder wanted a real GM, he wouldnt have hired Allen. Snyder has lead a dysfunctional franchise for so long, he doesn't deserve us to suddenly beleive he has changed now. He doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt.

Time will tell, but i'm remaining skeptical until proven otherwise.[/quote]

What's a "real" GM?

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[quote=Ruhskins;641439]Because people like to complain for the sake of complaining and pull stuff out of their asses and say they are facts.[/quote]

You mean people pull facts from history at share it with people who have thier head burried so deep in the sand they can't see what's going on? Allen's record speaks for itself. Under 500. he's no Messiah. Everyone WANTS him to be, but there's nothing in his record to suggest that he's going to be a "real GM" here or that he will bring any measure of success to this team.

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One more thing, until Gruden removes all doubt and releases a statement saying he's not interested, not in the running, and hasn't been contacted, he's a candidate in my opinion.

Gruden could end the speculation very easily. His silence speaks volumes.

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[quote=tryfuhl;641459]A decade with 5 divisional championships is way below my standards too.[/quote]

So by that logic, this team has been [U]way below your standards for years[/U]. Yet you're complaining when the Dan is actually manning up and at least trying to go in a different direction?

I've pissed on The Dan and spewed hatred at the man for many a day. This day wasn't one of the them.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;641451]Right now, i see Snyder manipulating the fans into thinking something's changed when, really, nothing has. The dysfunctional front office structure remains the same - only the players have changed. If you didn't get a chance to listen to Mike Wilbon on the Tony Kornheiser show this morning, then you should.

A character in Snatch said, "Don't piss in my bucket and tell me its raining." By all apperanaces, that's exactly whats happening here. Snyder fired one yes-man and hired another. Allen has never been a "real" GM before. He's only been a yes man. If Snyder wanted a real GM, he wouldnt have hired Allen. Snyder has lead a dysfunctional franchise for so long, he doesn't deserve us to suddenly beleive he has changed now. He doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt.

Time will tell, but i'm remaining skeptical until proven otherwise.[/quote]

You're entitled to your opinion...however you have a tendency to present your opinions as facts here. I think everyone should be in a wait and see mode. But you are definitely going out of your way to present "information" to "prove" your point. And I put these words in quotations because you have brought information that is mediocre at best to prove your point.

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[quote=tryfuhl;641459]A decade with 5 divisional championships is way below my standards too.[/quote]

Allen only gets credit for his 5 years as a General Manager. In those five years, Tampa Bay posted a record under .500, won the division twice, and lost in the wild card round both times.

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[quote=Gmanc711;640896]When you say "oversees the draft process" what exactly does that mean. He wouldnt have any hand in trading the picks away that we do, or deciding who we take in the draft?

I mean I think in terms of the players that we actually take, we take pretty good players with the picks we have, we just at times dont focus on the right positions. Would he have had alot of input in what positions we have gone over the last few years?[/quote]

I know this post was made a lot earlier in the thread but in regard to Scott Campbell, I heard that a lot of our late draft picks were to be credited to him. Of course at the same time we drafted no OL, so I take that with a grain of salt.

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[quote=12thMan;641464]One more thing, until Gruden removes all doubt and releases a statement saying he's not interested, not in the running, and hasn't been contacted, he's a candidate in my opinion.

Gruden could end the speculation very easily. His silence speaks volumes.[/quote]

Still, it hasn't even been a day. Give it time.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;641463]You mean people pull facts from history at share it with people who have thier head burried so deep in the sand they can't see what's going on? Allen's record speaks for itself. Under 500. he's no Messiah. Everyone WANTS him to be, [B]but there's nothing in his record to suggest that he's going to be a "real GM" here or that he will bring any measure of success to this team.[/B][/quote]

Division titles and 1 Super Bowl appearance are nothing? Shit, this is worst than the time you proposed a straight trade between Campbell and Chris Simms.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;641467]Allen only gets credit for his 5 years as a General Manager. In those five years, Tampa Bay posted a record under .500, won the division twice, and lost in the wild card round both times.[/quote]

What about his record in Oakland? You are conveniently not mentioning that in your posts.

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[B]EXCLUSIVE FOOTAGE: Redskins warm up for practice today[/B]

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[quote=SmootSmack;641461]What's a "real" GM?[/quote]

Allen didn't make the decisions in Tampa. Gruden did. Allen was just a yes man with a GM title. And his record was under .500.

A "real GM" would be what we - the fans - have been screaming for for years - a guy who would run the football operation and not just be Snyder's yes man. Don't beleive the BS from the press conference. Snyder and/or our new HC will be pulling all the strings. Allen is just a figurehead with connections to the team that Snyder's using to pacify the fanbase.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;641463]You mean people pull facts from history at share it with people who have thier head burried so deep in the sand they can't see what's going on? Allen's record speaks for itself. Under 500. he's no Messiah. Everyone WANTS him to be, but there's nothing in his record to suggest that he's going to be a "real GM" here or that he will bring any measure of success to this team.[/quote]

Well let's remember that he did field some very good teams in Oakland when he was there and won NFL executive of the year in 02. Would he have been my first choice? No. But let's give the guy a chance. And let's remember that every GM misses on draft picks.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;641473]Allen didn't make the decisions in Tampa. Gruden did. Allen was just a yes man with a GM title. And his record was under .500.

A "real GM" would be what we - the fans - have been screaming for for years - a guy who would run the football operation and not just be Snyder's yes man. Don't beleive the BS from the press conference. Snyder and/or our new HC will be pulling all the strings. Allen is just a figurehead with connections to the team that Snyder's using to pacify the fanbase.[/quote]

Great, go root for another team...come on, go.

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[quote=skinsfan69;641474]Well let's remember that he did field some very good teams in Oakland when he was there and won NFL executive of the year in 02. Would he have been my first choice? No. But let's give the guy a chance. And let's remember that every GM misses on draft picks.[/quote]

According to BHA that didn't exist.

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Only thing that worries me about Gruden is that fact that he runs a VERY complicated system. I mean it's still the WCO, but as I said before he definitely runs one of the more complex schemes in the league. Weather or not he's more complicated then Al Saunders remains to be seen.

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[quote=Ruhskins;641470]Division titles and 1 Super Bowl appearance are nothing? [B]Shit, this is worst than the time you proposed a straight trade between Campbell and Chris Simms[/B].[/quote]

lol I don't remember that but damn, :doh:

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Gibbs, Beathard and Marty have all endorsed this hire. That's good enough for me. It is a move that was both wanted and needed. You won't hear me bitchin'. I'm going to enjoy the honeymoon. HTTR!!! :woot:

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[quote=skinsfan69;641474]Well let's remember that he did field some very good teams in Oakland when he was there and won NFL executive of the year in 02. Would he have been my first choice? No. But let's give the guy a chance. And let's remember that every GM misses on draft picks.[/quote]

Well said, very well said.

And anyone that thinks any GM is going to act independently of what the entire organization wants or without heavy input from the coach and owner is kidding themselves, seriously kidding themselves. You think Tony Dungy and Jim Irsay, in spite of Bill Polian, didn't have major input on roster moves? You think Bill Belichick and Robert Kraft, in spite of Scott Pioli, didn't have major input on roster moves? That doesn't make Polian and Pioli "yes men"

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For those wishing Zorn is going to stay, it ain't happening. New GM's don't retain coaches. It doesn't happen at least to my recollection. I can't think of any example.

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[quote=Mattyk72;641479]lol I don't remember that but damn, :doh:[/quote]

Allow me...

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;518180]I've had some more time to think, and have come up with the changes I would like to see made to our starting team in 2009...

[B][u]COMMENTS[/u][/B]
[B]*Jason Campbell Traded to Tennessee for Chris Simms, straight up. Jason Campbell is an ideal fit for Tennessee's offense. Chris Simms is an ideal fit for our offense. Its a good deal for both teams. Maybe we could get a low-round pick in addition to Simms for Campbell, [U]but I don't think Vinny is that good of a negotiator[/U].[/B]
**2nd round pick acquired via trade for Carlos Rogers. Normally, I wouldnt like the move, but Asomugha is a clear upgrade over Carlos, and this move would garner us a draft pick.[/quote]

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going to get very interesting.

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[quote=cpayne5;641437]Anyone else think that Allen's voice sounded very similar to Gruden's? Kinda spooky.[/quote]

Yeah I noticed that too, same type of speech patterns and accent. Weird.

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[quote=NM Redskin;641488]Yeah I noticed that too, same type of speech patterns and accent. Weird.[/quote]

So what do we use to address Bruce Allen in the short hand? I'm imagining something similar to George McPhee, though instead of GMGM we use GMBA for Allen.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;641465]So by that logic, this team has been [U]way below your standards for years[/U]. Yet you're complaining when the Dan is actually manning up and at least trying to go in a different direction?

I've pissed on The Dan and spewed hatred at the man for many a day. This day wasn't one of the them.[/quote]
I thought that it was obviously sarcastic, I guess that I was wrong haha

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[quote=redsk1;641484][B]For those wishing Zorn is going to stay, it ain't happening.[/B] New GM's don't retain coaches. It doesn't happen at least to my recollection. I can't think of any example.[/quote]

I tend to agree. Zorn was unqualified when he came in and while he's done an admirable job at holding things together and keeping his chin up during a really shitty time, I'm sure one of the things Allen is working on right out of the gate is evaluating potential head coach candidates. If this is Allen's ship to run, he needs to bring in his guys.

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[quote=SmootSmack;641483]Well said, very well said.

And anyone that thinks any GM is going to act independently of what the entire organization wants or without heavy input from the coach and owner is kidding themselves, seriously kidding themselves. You think Tony Dungy and Jim Irsay, in spite of Bill Polian, didn't have major input on roster moves? You think Bill Belichick and Robert Kraft, in spite of Scott Pioli, didn't have major input on roster moves? That doesn't make Polian and Pioli "yes men"[/quote]

We need a "No" man. "Excuse me, Mr. GM, Peyton Manning just became a free agent, should I contact him. "NO". But what about "NO". Seriously I need to "NO". Hey guys whats up "NO".

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Where are Spence and Skinny Tee? Thoughts on Snyder's move?

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One possibility/prediction:

Zorn stays a year because they can't get Gruden out of his deal w/espn w/out paying big $. In addition, they would have to pay Zorn to fire him too.

So, Zorn gets a year but then they negotiate w/Gruden to coach in 2011 when it's easier to get him out of his espn deal.

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[quote=Mattyk72;641424][QUOTE]Certainly you can argue that there are better choices than Allen out there, bu for the five plus years I've been part of this board the two most common sentences I've seen written here are "We need a GM" and "We need to get rid of Vinny"

Well in one morning, we did both....and we still complain[/quote]Wish we could end the thread on this note.[/QUOTE]

I second that.

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We have a real GM! We can debate about whether or not Allen was the best choice (he seems like a solid choice to me), but simply having changed the structure of the FO makes us better.

I hope that we look back on today as one of the brightest in Redskins history.

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Just because I want Zorn to stay doesn't mean that I am naive enough to believe that he is going to stay.

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[quote=Ruhskins;641471]What about his record in Oakland? You are conveniently not mentioning that in your posts.[/quote]
Oh you mean the 3 divisional titles titles which is more than the 2 mentioned? The SB appearance in 2002? The hell of a performance against NE decided upon by calling Brady's fumble a non-fumble?

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Here is a list of players that Bruce Allen drafted in the time he was with Tampa Bay:
2004 Michael Clayton, Will Allen, 2 PLAYERS FOR 8 PICKS., 2005 Carnell Williams, Alex Smith(with Philadelphia),and Barrett Ruud. 3 out of twelve. 2006 Maurice Stovall, Jeremy Trueblood, Davin Joseph, Bruce Gradkowski(Oakland Raiders), 4 Out of 10. 2007 Gaines Adams(Traded to Chicago), Quincy Black, Greg Peterson, Sabby Piscitelli, Adam Hayward, Tanard Jackson. 2008 Geno Hayes, Aqib Talib, Dre Moore, Jeremy Zuttah, and Josh Johnson.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;641473]Allen didn't make the decisions in Tampa. Gruden did. Allen was just a yes man with a GM title. And his record was under .500.

A "real GM" would be what we - the fans - have been screaming for for years - a guy who would run the football operation and not just be Snyder's yes man. Don't beleive the BS from the press conference. Snyder and/or our new HC will be pulling all the strings. Allen is just a figurehead with connections to the team that Snyder's using to pacify the fanbase.[/quote]
Well until we know who our coach and other FO positions we're looking at you can't really say that it will be an issue. Perhaps he'll be a "yes man" to a guy that's a hell of a personnel director? Didn't we have a problem with our scouts and personnel people being overridden by Snyderrato?

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[quote=skinsfan69;641474]Well let's remember that he did field some very good teams in Oakland when he was there and won NFL executive of the year in 02. Would he have been my first choice? No. But let's give the guy a chance. And let's remember that every GM misses on draft picks.[/quote]
Yep.. and who's to even say that we could've landed our top pick? The guy after that, maybe even the next, etc?