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I know that it is weak to blame the officials but I'm going to make an exception this time. IMO, poor officiating cost us this game because we should have been ahead by more than a TD going into the 4th Qtr. If we had been ahead at that time, I think RGIII and Morris would have kept us there.

The procedure call on Fred Davis in the 2nd Qtr was as nit-picking as it gets and it cost us a TD. Then, the phantom leg-whipping call on Tyler Palumbus cost us a 1st Down at the Giants 12-yard line. The supposed foul by Palumbus was far away from the play and he never even touched the defensive player. That's between 7-14 points taken away by poor officiating.

Meanwhile, the Giants' RT had a choke hold on Kerrigan on pass plays all game long but that was never called.

The outrageous call on Palumbus was the turning point of the game. I thought that Mike Shanahan should have given the officials an earful after the TD was called back just to give them something to think about for the rest of the game. If he had, perhaps the phantom foul on Palumbus wouldn't have been called.

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[quote=Lotus;955426]As Moss crossed the goal line I shouted, "No! We scored too fast!"[/quote]

I said the same thing.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;955427]This is essentially the same secondary we had last year, so why were they so much better last year?[/quote]

Carriker and Orakpo were healthy. And we had my main man Westbrook

Also, I should add that letting the Giants go 8-12 on 3rd down was absurd.

You gotta score TDs though. Last week a big reason we won was that the Vikings settled for FGs. This past weekend we did

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;955428]I know that it is weak to blame the officials but I'm going to make an exception this time. IMO, poor officiating cost us this game because we should have been ahead by more than a TD going into the 4th Qtr. If we had been ahead at that time, I think RGIII and Morris would have kept us there.

The procedure call on Fred Davis in the 2nd Qtr was as nit-picking as it gets and it cost us a TD. Then, the phantom leg-whipping call on Tyler Palumbus cost us a 1st Down at the Giants 12-yard line. The supposed foul by Palumbus was far away from the play and he never even touched the defensive player. That's between 7-14 points taken away by poor officiating.

Meanwhile, the Giants' RT had a choke hold on Kerrigan on pass plays all game long but that was never called.

The outrageous call on Palumbus was the turning point of the game. I thought that Mike Shanahan should have given the officials an earful after the TD was called back just to give them something to think about for the rest of the game. If he had, perhaps the phantom foul on Palumbus wouldn't have been called.[/quote]

The procedure call was definitely lame.

The leg whip, eh, he did stick his leg up as he rolled. That's going to be called when the refs see it. It wasn't totally egregious but I can understand that one.

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[quote=SmootSmack;955435]Carriker and Orakpo were healthy. And we had my main man Westbrook

Also, I should add that letting the Giants go 8-12 on 3rd down was absurd.

You gotta score TDs though. Last week a big reason we won was that the Vikings settled for FGs. This past weekend we did[/quote]

They were just as bad when Carriker and Orakpo were playing this year, although thats an admittedly smaller sample size. Could it be related to raheems scheme/coaching?

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;955449]They were just as bad when Carriker and Orakpo were playing this year, although thats an admittedly smaller sample size. Could it be related to raheems scheme/coaching?[/quote]

Well Raheem won't be coaching the secondary next year so it won't be an issue for too long...

But really, I don't think it's related to Raheem. The only thing I guess I'd put on him is he vouched for Tanard Jackson. But that's more so Tanard letting him down I suppose

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[quote=SmootSmack;955451]Well Raheem won't be coaching the secondary next year so it won't be an issue for too long...

But really, I don't think it's related to Raheem. The only thing I guess I'd put on him is he vouched for Tanard Jackson. But that's more so Tanard letting him down I suppose[/quote]

I'm going to assume Raheem is either going to get fired (because Haslett feels threatened by him), or the whole defensive coaching staff is getting canned, or he got a job offer from a college team or something since no NFL team would probably give him a coordinator job based off how the secondary is playing right now.

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[quote=mooby;955457]I'm going to assume Raheem is either going to get fired (because Haslett feels threatened by him), or the whole defensive coaching staff is getting canned, or he got a job offer from a college team or something since no NFL team would probably give him a coordinator job based off how the secondary is playing right now.[/quote]

Assume what you'd like

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[quote=SmootSmack;955463]Assume what you'd like[/quote]

Fair enough. I think I'll just assume Raheem won't be back as the secondary coach next year. Of course, that could mean he might get promoted to d-coordinator and we're going back to a 4-3. But either way, it won't affect this season, so I'm going to forget about the issue until after the season is over.

[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;955420]What if:

What if Moss had stopped at the 1 yard line. And we could have run more time off the clock?[/QUOTE]

And than we fumbled for the 19th time trying to punch it in? Lol. No thanks.


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Bullet head Justin Tuck trying to catch up with RG3...and this happens:

[IMG]https://farm9.static.flickr.com/8048/8111454497_5ed35aae10.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=punch it in;955469]And than we fumbled for the 19th time trying to punch it in? Lol. No thanks.


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Touche

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[quote=Mattyk;955437]The procedure call was definitely lame.

The leg whip, eh, he did stick his leg up as he rolled. That's going to be called when the refs see it. It wasn't totally egregious but I can understand that one.[/quote]

I thought it was terrible honestly. Not bad enough to warrant a call. It's one of those things they never call unless it is egregious or clearly affected the play. It was neither. But in the end we didn't lose because of that specifically. 4 TOs isn't good enough to get it done.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;955427]This is essentially the same secondary we had last year, so why were they so much better last year?[/quote]

FS and SS. Atogwe veteran former pro bowler at FS and Landry a quality SS. this year we tried to replace them with jackson and merriweather who I consider to be downgrades but decent enough but they both have not seen the field.

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I know I won't be agreed with but here goes.It was a good and" typical" NFCE game ,records don't matter in these games ...they never have.Skins have a lot to be happy with and to a man on the Giants ,from Coughlin on down all were singing RGIII's praise.Giants lost to the eagles by 2 pts,Cowboys by 7 and just beat you guys by 4,if not for those 9pts we would be undeafeted now,yet it's the NFCE and as always the games are good and close,records be damn.
"Bobs" going to have a long career,every game has wouldas ,couldas and such.The two teams were sizing each other up in the first half and both made adjustments in the second,in the end it was turnovers that decided this game that and Eli ...being Eli,nothing else.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;955428][B]I know that it is weak to blame the officials but I'm going to make an exception this time. IMO, poor officiating cost us this game because we should have been ahead by more than a TD going into the 4th Qtr.[/B] If we had been ahead at that time, I think RGIII and Morris would have kept us there.

The procedure call on Fred Davis in the 2nd Qtr was as nit-picking as it gets and it cost us a TD. Then, the phantom leg-whipping call on Tyler Palumbus cost us a 1st Down at the Giants 12-yard line. The supposed foul by Palumbus was far away from the play and he never even touched the defensive player. That's between 7-14 points taken away by poor officiating.

Meanwhile, the Giants' RT had a choke hold on Kerrigan on pass plays all game long but that was never called.

The outrageous call on Palumbus was the turning point of the game. I thought that Mike Shanahan should have given the officials an earful after the TD was called back just to give them something to think about for the rest of the game. If he had, perhaps the phantom foul on Palumbus wouldn't have been called.[/quote]

You simply can't make that leg whip call. Polumbus fell down and did not intentionally try and leg whip anyone and no one even got tripped up. Just an atrocious call that ruined our drive. The other one against Davis was just as bad. Those two calls played an outcome of the game and that should never ever happen. Whoever made those calls should be sat down next week.

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[quote=Giantone;955478]I know I won't be agreed with but here goes.It was a good and" typical" NFCE game ,records don't matter in these games ...they never have.Skins have a lot to be happy with and to a man on the Giants ,from Coughlin on down all were singing RGIII's praise.Giants lost to the eagles by 2 pts,Cowboys by 7 and just beat you guys by 4,if not for those 9pts we would be undeafeted now,yet it's the NFCE and as always the games are good and close,records be damn.
"Bobs" going to have a long career,every game has wouldas ,couldas and such.The two teams were sizing each other up in the first half and both made adjustments in the second,[B]in the end it was turnovers that decided this game [/B]that and Eli ...being Eli,nothing else.[/quote]

The turnovers played a part, no question. But those two pitiful calls that went against us that took points off the board IMO was the difference, not the turnovers.

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[quote=skinsfan69;955484] But those two pitiful calls that went against us that took points off the board IMO was the difference, not the turnovers.[/quote]


Yet you were still ahead even after the calls ,sorry turnovers kill teams.

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[quote=Giantone;955478]I know I won't be agreed with but here goes.It was a good and" typical" NFCE game ,records don't matter in these games ...they never have.Skins have a lot to be happy with and to a man on the Giants ,from Coughlin on down all were singing RGIII's praise.Giants lost to the eagles by 2 pts,Cowboys by 7 and just beat you guys by 4,if not for those 9pts we would be undeafeted now,yet it's the NFCE and as always the games are good and close,records be damn.
"Bobs" going to have a long career,every game has wouldas ,couldas and such.The two teams were sizing each other up in the first half and both made adjustments in the second,in the end it was turnovers that decided this game that and Eli ...being Eli,nothing else.[/quote]

Eli being Eli was my biggest concern coming into the game and having all of those miscues earlier in the game (turnovers, missed opportunities in the red zone and not being able to capitalize off both turnovers) didn't help in that aspect.

I do agree with you that turnovers decided the game. People can fixate on the blown coverage at the end, but if those turnovers don't happen earlier on, we have a different ball game.

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[quote=Giantone;955487]Yet you were still ahead even after the calls ,sorry turnovers kill teams.[/quote]

true but we should've been ahead by more. that illegal shift call took 7 points off the board. even aikman commented that the call sucked. and don't get me started on that leg whip. just pathetic.

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[quote=skinsfan69;955494]true but we should've been ahead by more. that illegal shift call took 7 points off the board. even aikman commented that the call sucked. and don't get me started on that leg whip. just pathetic.[/quote]

Aikman did say it was a bad call and then later went back to it and did say it was the right call as for the leg whip 10-1 all the ref saw was the guys leg in the air and made the call,like I said shoudas, wouldas,couldas,all games have them.It was still a great well played game by the Skins.

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Hate the fact we lost but I'm very encouraged with what I'm seeing on the field. I told my buddy that I hope we don't go into prevent D and the minute we didn't we got burned. I also like the fact that we kicked the FG in the forth whith Sanny making the statement that we could make a stop and a score. We did but so did the Giants. :(

[QUOTE=skinsfan69;955484]The turnovers played a part, no question. But those two pitiful calls that went against us that took points off the board IMO was the difference, not the turnovers.[/QUOTE]

Five turnovers tho man. Five. There are always going to be bad calls in a game. They are gonna be for us or against us. That is out of our control and part of the game. Those turnovers were just a complete lack of focus on our part - again this wasnt Osi coming from behind Rex and swatting the ball out of his hands. This was our guys not protecting the ball.
Edit: four turnovers.

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[quote=punch it in;955502]Five turnovers tho man. Five. There are always going to be bad calls in a game. They are gonna be for us or against us. That is out of our control and part of the game. Those turnovers were just a complete lack of focus on our part - again this wasnt Osi coming from behind Rex and swatting the ball out of his hands. This was our guys not protecting the ball.
Edit: four turnovers.

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And that INT thrown by RG3 that was very dumbfounding to be honest. BTW, we only had four TO's (Morris' fumble, RG3's INT, RG3's sack/fumble, and Moss' fumble).

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[quote=Ruhskins;955504][B]And that INT thrown by RG3 that was very dumbfounding to be honest. [/B]BTW, we only had four TO's (Morris' fumble, RG3's INT, RG3's sack/fumble, and Moss' fumble).[/quote]

FYI.... QB's throw Int's. Eli threw two of them. Even with his Int and fumble, the plays he made throughout the game MORE THAN made up for it. Also..we still have to remember that we're playing a rookie QB and RB. RG3 is 7 starts into his NFL career and is already the best player on our team.

[QUOTE=Ruhskins;955504]And that INT thrown by RG3 that was very dumbfounding to be honest. BTW, we only had four TO's (Morris' fumble, RG3's INT, RG3's sack/fumble, and Moss' fumble).[/QUOTE]

Yeah sorry. i weny back and made an edit.


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Seems like RG3 expected Paulsen to keep running on the INT, still probably not the best decision but he more than made up for it the rest of the day.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;955515]Seems like RG3 expected Paulsen to keep running on the INT, still probably not the best decision but he more than made up for it the rest of the day.[/QUOTE]

More than made up for it is rite. It looked like he hesitated -like he was gonna bring the ball back down and than re-committed to the throw. He knew rite away it was his fault. Even his int's have poise written all over them. Lol.


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Our red zone offense has been incredible, win or lose, going into yesterday's game. Yesterday we didn't execute in the red zone like we had in previous weeks. That's always gonna hurt

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[quote=skinsfan69;955511]FYI.... QB's throw Int's. Eli threw two of them. Even with his Int and fumble, the plays he made throughout the game MORE THAN made up for it. Also..we still have to remember that we're playing a rookie QB and RB. RG3 is 7 starts into his NFL career and is already the best player on our team.[/quote]

Good plays late in the game only make up earlier errors when a team wins.

However, I was just a bit surprised about the INT because RG3 has been very good with his decision making. As Matty said, it looks like there may have been miscommunication with Paulsen. You are right in terms of him being a rookie and he will have rookie moments, especially going against a veteran D like the Giants.

[quote=SmootSmack;955521]Our red zone offense has been incredible, win or lose, going into yesterday's game. Yesterday we didn't execute in the red zone like we had in previous weeks. That's always gonna hurt[/quote]

As with the RG3 INT, this surprised me a lot too.

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[quote=skinsfan69;955494]true but we should've been ahead by more. that illegal shift call took 7 points off the board. even aikman commented that the call sucked. and don't get me started on that leg whip. just pathetic.[/quote]

The Illegal shift was shown again after the comercial and it was an illegal shift. The leg whip was BS.

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[quote=jdc65;955368]Well, I can't climb into anyone else's head, but it would be a normal human reaction to be considerably upset by today's loss and the way this season is playing out. Wouldn't you agree that it is very possible that Griffin feels let down by the team in general, with the front office specifically, and that the pressure on him to produce is unnecessarily high? Even if he never would admit such?

Of course, he is a rookie, and he was in the same situation at Baylor, so maybe he's ok with it.[/quote]

So are you net over looking the fact that the offense turned the ball over four times (rgiii twice) and we got hit with brutal penalties that not only took points off the board but also resulted in a 40 yard swing and a loss of a first down on the opponent's twelve yard line? I don't think RG III is totally blameless in this loss.

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[quote=jdc65;955211]Cam led his team to a National Championship, and his junior college team to a national championship. He led a crappy Carolina team to a 4 win improvement in season #1. He was a leader, and he was always smiling and upbeat last year. He's being broken there now under expectations and pressure because the team can't play at a higher level.

Robert looked genuinely hurt to me by this loss, almost quizzical, like "what else can I do?" He has to feel let down by the way this season is going. Especially considering his high level of play. Shanahan has done a bad job, in my honest opinion, of giving him a strong supporting cast with an attitude, and he's had 3 years to do so. Not halfway into his rookie season, and already it's all on his shoulders. Winning is a mindset, and that comes from the top.[/quote]

Mind....blown

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outside of the Eli td throw, the thing that pissed me off the most yesterday was when JPP stood up after his sack and did the Ganganam Style dance. That really pissed me off cause i love that dance and he ruined it for me. Eff JPP

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;955534]Mind....blown[/QUOTE]

Im assuming not in a "god i never thought of that way". Lmao.


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[quote=SmootSmack;955534]Mind....blown[/quote]

Nothing surprises me anymore.

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[quote=Mattyk;955540]Nothing surprises me anymore.[/quote]

How can Shanny do a bad job by giving a rookie QB a strong supporting cast...too soon?

Am I reading that right?

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Can we please lose the picture of Garcon at the top of the site and replace it with Morris?

And of course, we need to take down the Orakpo pic, and replace it with Madieu Williams please.

Thank You and thats all.

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[quote=punch it in;955538]Im assuming not in a "god i never thought of that way". Lmao.


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