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[quote=mlmpetert;928381]First this:
[URL="http://www.barackobama.com/news/entry/the-obama-event-registry/"]The Obama event registry — Blog — Barack Obama[/URL]


Then this:
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W2pjZGRr_c&feature=youtu.be"]President Obama Donates - YouTube[/URL]


Now this:
[URL="http://www.theblaze.com/stories/obama-asks-americans-to-sign-his-birthday-card-guess-what-you-get-to-do-in-return/"]Obama birthday card | TheBlaze.com[/URL]


At what point does it become just good old fashion pandering?[/quote]

I'd much rather him pander than have three billionaires (Shelly Adelson, Foster Friess, Koch brothers) bankroll his campaign and dictate policy.

If a guy cuts a $10 million check to your campaign, the next logical question is what does he want in return.

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[quote=saden1;927916]So we should read Rick Ungar article as biased but the Heritage article as unbiased? LOL
All that stupid Heritage article shows is government spending increasing. When has it not year over year? You think as a percentage snapshots from 1960s to 2000 would think it would compare favorably to 2010 to 2050?


There is a simple way to prove you and the Heritage Foundation are full of it with a simple question: Can you account account for the 5 trillion dollars and show us the math?


The really sad thing is you don't even need to exaggerate deficit spending, his numbers scary enough on their own.[/quote]

It's like how many different ways can we have this argument with the right, this administration has not signed into law or even proposed $5 trillion in spending. I guess because Heritage said it that makes it true though.

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[quote=12thMan;928817]I'd much rather him pander than have three billionaires (Shelly Adelson, Foster Friess, Koch brothers) bankroll his campaign and dictate policy.

[B]If a guy cuts a $10 million check to your campaign, the next logical question is what does he want in return.[/quote][/B]

And unions don't do the same thing?

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[quote=firstdown;928833][/B]

And unions don't do the same thing?[/quote]

What union is bankrolling Obama's campaign to the tune of a billion dollars or even hundreds of thousands?

For what it's worth, every union isn't all warm and fuzzy with Obama. Don't know where you got that from.

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[quote=12thMan;928838]What union is bankrolling Obama's campaign to the tune of a billion dollars or even hundreds of thousands?

For what it's worth, every union isn't all warm and fuzzy with Obama. Don't know where you got that from.[/quote]In 2004 UAW contributed $ 4.1M to Obama. In 2000-2008, UAW contributed over $ 23M to Dems, $ 193K to the GOP.

So for a $ 23[B]M[/B] investment they got back $ 23[B]BILLION[/B].....1000 times ROI, pretty damn good.....just one example.

The bundlers at Solyndra and other green energy companies that made off with taxpayer backed loans only donated in the hundreds of thousands, yet got millions....another great play.

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[quote=12thMan;928838]What union is bankrolling Obama's campaign to the[B] tune of a billion dollars [/B]or even hundreds of thousands?

For what it's worth, every union isn't all warm and fuzzy with Obama. Don't know where you got that from.[/quote]


I think your mean a million dollars. Sadly i wonder how long it is until we see a campaign that costs a billion? This year or 2016?

I thought this was kind of funny. We all remember Obama hooking his biggest bundlers up with jobs:

[url=http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/06/report-nearly-80-of-obamas-top-bundlers-given-key-administration-posts/]Report: Nearly 80% of Obama’s Top Bundlers Given “Key Administration Posts� - ABC News[/url]


Well by doing so it has complicated, and probably limited, the amount of money he can raise this go around. They cant campaign for him the way they did now that theyre part of the administration.

[url=http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2011/07/what-obamas-richest-donors-tell-us-about-his-campaign/40057/]What Obama's Richest Donors Tell Us About His Campaign - Politics - The Atlantic Wire[/url]

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[quote=12thMan;928820]It's like how many different ways can we have this argument with the right, this administration has not signed into law or even proposed $5 trillion in spending. I guess because Heritage said it that makes it true though.[/quote]Bush and Congress left FY2009 (except DoD & DHS) under CR until after the election. Obama signed the FY2009 spending bills in March 2009. The Obama Administration and Dems in Congress had complete control until after the mid-terms, they've neglected to do anything about the fundamental problems in the budget.

This falls squarely on Obama, if he was serious about what's best for the country and not being an idealogue, he had the bully-pulpit, could've driven true "change" in DC, and gone down as one of the greatest POTUS. Instead he chose to govern from the far left and that hasn't worked out so well.

I'm not a Clinton fan, but the guy was a master politican and knew there were times to track to the center for the good of the country (or his party's re-election chances, either way it worked out).

Here's some details from WaPo: [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/is-obama-responsible-for-a-5-trillion-increase-in-the-debt/2012/05/15/gIQACA0QSU_blog.html"]Is Obama responsible for a $5 trillion increase in the debt? - The Washington Post[/URL]

Key takeaways from the link and a sublink:
- “While it’s true that revenue has decreased by a small amount, spending has soared — and it’s the role of a president to set a budget that ensures that spending stays in line with available revenue,” Fehrnstrom said. “[B][I]President Obama has both increased non-defense discretionary spending and failed to propose any serious reforms to entitlement spending[/I][/B].” He noted that non-defense discretionary spending — annually appropriated by Congress — has increased significantly under Obama.

- The nation has a revenue problem [I]and[/I] a spending problem — or else there would not be a deficit.

Just a couple other quick hits:
Why did Obama ignore his own Debt Commission?
[B][I]WARREN BUFFETT[/I][/B]: “Well it – you go back to what, you know, Kemp-Roth and all that that too that they were working on that. I think what happened with Simpson-Bowles was an absolute tragedy. I mean here are two extremely high-grade people. They have somewhat different ideas about government but they’re smart. They’re decent. They’ve got good senses of humor, too. They’re good at working with people.
They work like a devil for ten months or something like that. They compromise. They bring in people as far apart as Durbin and Coburn to get them to sign on and then they’re totally ignored. I think that’s a travesty.” (CNBC’s “Squawk Box,” 11/12/11)

Thoughts from Mark Warner: [URL="http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2011/06/10/senator-warner-talks-debt-reduction-and-rep-ryan-plan/"]Senator Mark Warner talks debt reduction and Rep. Ryan plan – CNN Press Room - CNN.com Blogs[/URL]

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[quote=12thMan;928820]It's like how many different ways can we have this argument with the right, this administration has not signed into law or even proposed $5 trillion in spending. I guess because Heritage said it that makes it true though.[/quote]

Has this administration ever even passed a budget?

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;928878]Bush and Congress left FY2009 (except DoD & DHS) under CR until after the election. Obama signed the FY2009 spending bills in March 2009. The Obama Administration and Dems in Congress had complete control until after the mid-terms, they've neglected to do anything about the fundamental problems in the budget.

This falls squarely on Obama, if he was serious about what's best for the country and not being an idealogue, he had the bully-pulpit, could've driven true "change" in DC, and gone down as one of the greatest POTUS. Instead he chose to govern from the far left and that hasn't worked out so well.

I'm not a Clinton fan, but the guy was a master politican and knew there were times to track to the center for the good of the country (or his party's re-election chances, either way it worked out).

Here's some details from WaPo: [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/is-obama-responsible-for-a-5-trillion-increase-in-the-debt/2012/05/15/gIQACA0QSU_blog.html"]Is Obama responsible for a $5 trillion increase in the debt? - The Washington Post[/URL]

Key takeaways from the link and a sublink:
- “While it’s true that revenue has decreased by a small amount, spending has soared — and it’s the role of a president to set a budget that ensures that spending stays in line with available revenue,” Fehrnstrom said. “[B][I]President Obama has both increased non-defense discretionary spending and failed to propose any serious reforms to entitlement spending[/I][/B].” He noted that non-defense discretionary spending — annually appropriated by Congress — has increased significantly under Obama.

- The nation has a revenue problem [I]and[/I] a spending problem — or else there would not be a deficit.

Just a couple other quick hits:
Why did Obama ignore his own Debt Commission?
[B][I]WARREN BUFFETT[/I][/B]: “Well it – you go back to what, you know, Kemp-Roth and all that that too that they were working on that. I think what happened with Simpson-Bowles was an absolute tragedy. I mean here are two extremely high-grade people. They have somewhat different ideas about government but they’re smart. They’re decent. They’ve got good senses of humor, too. They’re good at working with people.
They work like a devil for ten months or something like that. They compromise. They bring in people as far apart as Durbin and Coburn to get them to sign on and then they’re totally ignored. I think that’s a travesty.” (CNBC’s “Squawk Box,” 11/12/11)

Thoughts from Mark Warner: [URL="http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2011/06/10/senator-warner-talks-debt-reduction-and-rep-ryan-plan/"]Senator Mark Warner talks debt reduction and Rep. Ryan plan – CNN Press Room - CNN.com Blogs[/URL][/quote]


I would have thought the takeaway from the article was the fact that it got a Pinocchio, a rating described as:

[quote]Some shading of the facts. Selective telling of the truth. Some omissions and exaggerations, but no outright falsehoods.[/quote]

Next time shoot for "The Geppetto Checkmark," it's likely to prove you lot aren't full of it.

Also, Bush submitted the 2009 budget in 2008. What was obama suppose to do? Not sign it and start from scratch? LOL...signing the budget is a formality.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;928866]In 2004 UAW contributed $ 4.1M to Obama. In 2000-2008, UAW contributed over $ 23M to Dems, $ 193K to the GOP.

So for a $ 23[B]M[/B] investment they got back $ 23[B]BILLION[/B].....1000 times ROI, pretty damn good.....just one example.

The bundlers at Solyndra and other green energy companies that made off with taxpayer backed loans only donated in the hundreds of thousands, yet got millions....another great play.[/quote]

What about Wall Street ,you hammer Unions and forget about the uber weathly CEO's who took down Wall St in the first place ...UNDER BUSH's ...reign of terror.Lets not forget the Auto Industry is paying it back.

[url=http://useconomy.about.com/od/criticalssues/a/auto_bailout.htm]Government Bailout of Ford GM Chrysler and the Auto Industry[/url]


Very good break down of the whole thing!

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This is what Mittins brings to the table......



[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMndjLIQUFw&feature=relmfu]Romney Economics: Bankruptcy and Bailouts at GST Steel - YouTube[/ame]

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[quote=drew54;928306]Buddy Roemer was never given a chance to even debate. Gary Johnson was allowed to attend one debate. They were not crazy enough to be selected for the Republican Party sideshow that went on this year.

It seems Gary Johnson is now on the Libertarian Party ticket, and if he could poll above 15% he can attend the debates. He will move the discussion away from the BS talking points, and I for one would love to see that.[/quote]



Smart man.

[YT]aj1BbV3lYMg[/YT]


Listen to this Fox News guy trying to spew vile and drum up fear.(in regards to Iran)

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[quote=12thMan;928817]I'd much rather him pander than have three billionaires (Shelly Adelson, Foster Friess, Koch brothers) bankroll his campaign and dictate policy.

If a guy cuts a $10 million check to your campaign, the next logical question is what does he want in return.[/quote]



[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAHESUtxAeU&feature=relmfu]A Firefighter, a Postal Worker, a Veteran, and an Educator Have Dinner with Barack - YouTube[/ame]

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[quote=saden1;928925]Also, Bush submitted the 2009 budget in 2008. What was obama suppose to do? Not sign it and start from scratch? LOL...signing the budget is a formality.[/quote]Obama had Congress in 2009, he didn't need to start from scratch just make positive changes. Actually most of the delay in signing FY2009 was due to the Dems in Congress gambling Obama would win and they could get increases Bush wouldn't sign.

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...another Romney success.


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLatxTzVE4w&feature=relmfu]Romney Economics: Job Loss and Bankruptcy at Ampad - YouTube[/ame]

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[quote=mlmpetert;928877]I think your mean a million dollars. Sadly i wonder how long it is until we see a campaign that costs a billion? This year or 2016?

I thought this was kind of funny. We all remember Obama hooking his biggest bundlers up with jobs:

[url=http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/06/report-nearly-80-of-obamas-top-bundlers-given-key-administration-posts/]Report: Nearly 80% of Obama’s Top Bundlers Given “Key Administration Posts� - ABC News[/url]


Well by doing so it has complicated, and probably limited, the amount of money he can raise this go around. They cant campaign for him the way they did now that theyre part of the administration.

[url=http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2011/07/what-obamas-richest-donors-tell-us-about-his-campaign/40057/]What Obama's Richest Donors Tell Us About His Campaign - Politics - The Atlantic Wire[/url][/quote]

Thanks for the catch.

Don't quote me, but I think combined we've surpassed a billion dollars in campaign spending. Pretty much disqualifies me from every running for POTUS.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;928878]Bush and Congress left FY2009 (except DoD & DHS) under CR until after the election. Obama signed the FY2009 spending bills in March 2009. The Obama Administration and Dems in Congress had complete control until after the mid-terms, they've neglected to do anything about the fundamental problems in the budget.

This falls squarely on Obama, if he was serious about what's best for the country and not being an idealogue, he had the bully-pulpit, could've driven true "change" in DC, and gone down as one of the greatest POTUS. Instead he chose to govern from the far left and that hasn't worked out so well.

I'm not a Clinton fan, but the guy was a master politican and knew there were times to track to the center for the good of the country (or his party's re-election chances, either way it worked out).

Here's some details from WaPo: [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/is-obama-responsible-for-a-5-trillion-increase-in-the-debt/2012/05/15/gIQACA0QSU_blog.html"]Is Obama responsible for a $5 trillion increase in the debt? - The Washington Post[/URL]

Key takeaways from the link and a sublink:
- “While it’s true that revenue has decreased by a small amount, spending has soared — and it’s the role of a president to set a budget that ensures that spending stays in line with available revenue,” Fehrnstrom said. “[B][I]President Obama has both increased non-defense discretionary spending and failed to propose any serious reforms to entitlement spending[/I][/B].” He noted that non-defense discretionary spending — annually appropriated by Congress — has increased significantly under Obama.

- The nation has a revenue problem [I]and[/I] a spending problem — or else there would not be a deficit.

Just a couple other quick hits:
Why did Obama ignore his own Debt Commission?
[B][I]WARREN BUFFETT[/I][/B]: “Well it – you go back to what, you know, Kemp-Roth and all that that too that they were working on that. I think what happened with Simpson-Bowles was an absolute tragedy. I mean here are two extremely high-grade people. They have somewhat different ideas about government but they’re smart. They’re decent. They’ve got good senses of humor, too. They’re good at working with people.
They work like a devil for ten months or something like that. They compromise. They bring in people as far apart as Durbin and Coburn to get them to sign on and then they’re totally ignored. I think that’s a travesty.” (CNBC’s “Squawk Box,” 11/12/11)

Thoughts from Mark Warner: [URL="http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2011/06/10/senator-warner-talks-debt-reduction-and-rep-ryan-plan/"]Senator Mark Warner talks debt reduction and Rep. Ryan plan – CNN Press Room - CNN.com Blogs[/URL][/quote]

So Obama extends Bush tax cuts and he's governing from the far left? Congress (upheld by the Supreme Court) passed healthcare reform designed by a Republican and he's governing from the far left? Obama's done more for returning troops by way of mental healthcare, increasing veterans benefits, and addressing homelessness among our veterans and he's an ideologue? We've seen a dramatic decrease in the federal workers, while adding nearly 5 million private sector jobs and he's governing from the left?

C'mon, man. Sometimes...

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He has added 5 million jobs? So how is unemployment at 8.4%. I think you left off the 8 million he has lost. This chart deos not even include the number of new federal employees its going to need to inforce Obama Care.

This chart shows something a little different.

[IMG]http://www.foundry.org/wp-content/uploads/fed-job-gains.jpg[/IMG]

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Yep, the exact number is closer 4.6 million. Come November the number should, hopefully, be at 5 million. 29 consecutive months we've had private sector jobs. #fact

I like how you cite Heritage Foundation as your source about Obamacare. Cute.

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[url=http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/08/07/158320294/one-clue-to-romneys-veep-pick-whose-wiki-page-is-getting-the-most-edits?ft=1&f=1014&sc=tw]One Clue To Romney's Veep Pick: Whose Wiki Page Is Getting The Most Edits? : The Two-Way : NPR[/url]

Interesting.

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[quote=Giantone;928930]What about Wall Street ,you hammer Unions and forget about the uber weathly CEO's who took down Wall St in the first place ...UNDER BUSH's ...reign of terror.Lets not forget the Auto Industry is paying it back.

[URL="http://useconomy.about.com/od/criticalssues/a/auto_bailout.htm"]Government Bailout of Ford GM Chrysler and the Auto Industry[/URL]


Very good break down of the whole thing![/quote]The CEOs are split D & R. Some of the Wall St. firms receiving bailout money were big Obama contributors. Wall St. connected firms/individuals donated more to Obama over McCain in 2008.

The catalyst for the Wall St. meltdown was the mortgage crisis, which stemmed from lax lending practices started by Clinton's Making Homes Affordable plan. Even Clinton, along with the GOP in Congress, was raising red flags on Fannie/Freddie while Barney Frank, Maxine Waters and crew were saying everything's fine, nothing to see here.

The U.S. Dept. of Treasury has stated that when all is said and done U.S. taxpayers will have lost $23B total in the auto bailouts.

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[quote=12thMan;929070]So Obama extends Bush tax cuts and he's governing from the far left? Congress (upheld by the Supreme Court) passed healthcare reform designed by a Republican and he's governing from the far left? Obama's done more for returning troops by way of mental healthcare, increasing veterans benefits, and addressing homelessness among our veterans and he's an ideologue? We've seen a dramatic decrease in the federal workers, while adding nearly 5 million private sector jobs and he's governing from the left?

C'mon, man. Sometimes...[/quote]You've got to stop parroting the talking points and look deeper.

- Obama had no choice in extending the Bush tax cuts, if he didn't the economy would be definitively worse than it already is and he wouldn't even have a shot at winning in Nov. His position is higher taxes and "spreading the wealth around" , no way to deny that.

- What a Dem controlled Congress passed was not what the GOP originally designed.

- Dramatic decrease in fed workers.....you need to check out your own liberal sites? Read this from Politifact:
[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=929070[/URL]

From the link: "First, let’s look at federal government employment, which accounts for just 13 percent of all government employment. [I]The number of federal workers has increased by 38,000 over the same period -- an increase of 1.4 percent.[/I]

And if you separate out the U.S. Postal Service, the growth was even bigger. [I][B]Non-postal federal employment -- about 10 percent of all government employment -- increased over the same period by 139,000 workers, or 6.7 percent."[/B][/I]

- Added 5M jobs???? Are you kidding me? This is from the Communist News Network in Jan. 2012, I know the private sector didn't add 6M jobs since then:
[URL="http://money.cnn.com/2012/01/25/news/economy/obama_government/index.htm"]Did Obama really make government bigger? - Jan. 25, 2012[/URL]
"The federal government has been one of the few areas that's grown during the economic downturn. [I][B]The private sector remains down 1.1 million jobs from the start of 2009, while state and local governments have shed 635,000 positions.[/B][/I]

[B]Actual facts from Fox News in June 2012[/B]
By going back 27 months, Obama starts counting at the low point of employment for the private sector in February 2010 and tracks how far it has come. But counting farther back, since the end of the recession in June 2009, private-sector job gains have been much more modest, 3.1 million. That's a more meaningful measurement to economists.
[I][B]Overall, the economy has lost 1.37 million jobs — 784,000 in the private sector — since Obama was inaugurated.[/B][/I]
Read more: [URL="http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/15/fact-check-where-obama-romney-missed-mark/#ixzz22tGvxTyK"]FACT CHECK: Where Obama, Romney missed mark | Fox News[/URL]


Just thought I'd throw these out. Obama was rated by National Journal as the most liberal senator for 2007 and 10th most liberal in 2006.

Don't try to cover for Obama's far-left positions, he is who he is. He needs to just come out and make the case for European Socialism to the American people and let the chips fall where they may.
[URL="http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/302031/obamas-third-party-history-stanley-kurtz?pg=2"]Obama’s Third-Party History - Stanley Kurtz - National Review Online[/URL]


P.S. You never came up with an answer for me on the green energy (junk bond) loans?

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[quote=Giantone;928990][URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAHESUtxAeU&feature=relmfu"]A Firefighter, a Postal Worker, a Veteran, and an Educator Have Dinner with Barack - YouTube[/URL][/quote]


So this is like a lottery thing? Donate to Obama and you might win a golden ticket?

And ill make this promise. If we ever run into each other ill buy you a dr.... err donate to Obama.

[url=http://nakeddc.com/2012/08/01/barack-obama-would-like-you-to-stop-drinking-and-donate-please/]Barack Obama would like you to stop drinking and donate, please. :: Naked DC[/url]

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[quote=12thMan;929060]Thanks for the catch.

Don't quote me, but I think combined we've surpassed a billion dollars in campaign spending. Pretty much disqualifies me from every running for POTUS.[/quote]


I saw or heard something a little while back that there was a legit estimate (probably from Heritage) that Democrats might spend over a billion this year. Democrats rebuffed but i think they said it would be around 750.

I think democrats normally spend more, but i would think normally a mid cycle election would be less or the same as 4 years earlier.

Ill see if i can find it later so not just to speculate.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;929113]Don't try to cover for Obama's far-left positions, he is who he is.[/quote]


:laughing2


[url=http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/01/02/president-obama-signed-the-national-defense-authorization-act-now-what/]President Obama Signed the National Defense Authorization Act - Now What? - Forbes[/url]

[url=http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/guantanamo-bay-open-promises/story?id=16698768#.UCFxrKDNlQg]Guantanamo Bay: Still Open, Despite Promises - ABC News[/url]


[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/12/AR2009011203492.html]Obama to Send More Troops to Afghanistan So Administration Has More Time to Evaluate Conflict[/url]

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/obamas-kill-list-is-unchecked-presidential-power/2012/06/11/gJQAHw05WV_story.html]Obama’s ‘kill list’ is unchecked presidential power - The Washington Post[/url]

[url=http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/map_of_the_week/2012/06/obama_drone_strikes_the_president_ordered_more_than_george_w_bush.html]Obama drone strikes: The president ordered more than George W. Bush - Slate Magazine[/url]

[url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/27/patriot-act-extension-signed-obama-autopen_n_867851.html]Patriot Act Extension Signed By Obama[/url]

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/16/AR2010121606200.html]Obama signs bill to extend Bush-era tax cuts for two more years[/url]

[url=http://articles.latimes.com/2011/mar/29/world/la-fg-obama-libya-20110329]Libya airstrikes: Obama defends Libya mission - Los Angeles Times[/url]


Far left? Has to be the funniest thing I've read to date in regards to Obama. He's more like you guys than you'll ever know.




[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;929113]You've got to stop parroting the talking points and look deeper.[/quote]



The irony here is so overwhelming.

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Far left? I wish.

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[URL="http://www.theblaze.com/stories/president-woos-donors-in-new-email-by-offering-court-time-with-micheal-freaking-jordan/"]New Obama Fundraising Email Offers Court Time with ‘Michael Freaking Jordan’ | TheBlaze.com[/URL]

Donate 3 dollars or so and youll be entered into a raffle to watch a bunch of basketball "heroes" (including Carmello Anthony) play.

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[quote=Mattyk;929127]Far left? I wish.[/quote]

If Obama isn't far left who is? Dennis Kucinich? Bernie Sanders?

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[quote=mlmpetert;929133][URL="http://www.theblaze.com/stories/president-woos-donors-in-new-email-by-offering-court-time-with-micheal-freaking-jordan/"]New Obama Fundraising Email Offers Court Time with ‘Michael Freaking Jordan’ | TheBlaze.com[/URL]

Donate 3 dollars or so and youll be entered into a raffle to watch a bunch of basketball "heroes" (including Carmello Anthony) play.[/quote]

Why is this interesting? I would think the [URL="http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Mitt-Romney-out-raises-Obama-re-election-campaign-with-1013-million-in-July-165240866.html"]article[/URL] that's linked in the story is far more interesting with nuggets like:


[quote]Overall however Obama and the Democrats are ahead in the race for cash, having raised about $627 million to date compared with the $495 million raised by Romney and the Republicans.
[/quote]

[quote]Meanwhile Romney out-raised Obama by more than $35 million in June and May. RNC Chairman Reince Priebus told the press on Monday that the figures were a sign that Romney's campaign was [B]resonating with voters[/B]. More than [B]94 percent[/B] of all donations received last month [B]were for $250 or less[/B], the Romney campaign [B]announced[/B]. Those 600,627 contributions totaled [B]$25.7 million of the haul[/B].
[/quote]

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[quote=NC_Skins;929123]:laughing2


[URL="http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/01/02/president-obama-signed-the-national-defense-authorization-act-now-what/"]President Obama Signed the National Defense Authorization Act - Now What? - Forbes[/URL]

[URL="http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/guantanamo-bay-open-promises/story?id=16698768#.UCFxrKDNlQg"]Guantanamo Bay: Still Open, Despite Promises - ABC News[/URL]


[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/12/AR2009011203492.html"]Obama to Send More Troops to Afghanistan So Administration Has More Time to Evaluate Conflict[/URL]

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/obamas-kill-list-is-unchecked-presidential-power/2012/06/11/gJQAHw05WV_story.html"]Obama’s ‘kill list’ is unchecked presidential power - The Washington Post[/URL]

[URL="http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/map_of_the_week/2012/06/obama_drone_strikes_the_president_ordered_more_than_george_w_bush.html"]Obama drone strikes: The president ordered more than George W. Bush - Slate Magazine[/URL]

[URL="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/27/patriot-act-extension-signed-obama-autopen_n_867851.html"]Patriot Act Extension Signed By Obama[/URL]

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/16/AR2010121606200.html"]Obama signs bill to extend Bush-era tax cuts for two more years[/URL]

[URL="http://articles.latimes.com/2011/mar/29/world/la-fg-obama-libya-20110329"]Libya airstrikes: Obama defends Libya mission - Los Angeles Times[/URL]


Far left? Has to be the funniest thing I've read to date in regards to Obama. He's more like you guys than you'll ever know.[/quote]
You make the mistake of believing all conservatives agree with unchecked military power. Some of the provisions in the NDA and Patriot Act are necessary, but certainly others....particularly those that apply to U.S. citizens may need to be re-evaluated.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-left_politics]Far-left politics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

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[quote=saden1;929141]Why is this interesting? I would think the [URL="http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Mitt-Romney-out-raises-Obama-re-election-campaign-with-1013-million-in-July-165240866.html"]article[/URL] that's linked in the story is far more interesting with nuggets like:[/quote]Thought this was interesting too.

[URL="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/senate/2012_elections_senate_map.html"]RealClearPolitics - 2012 Election Maps - Battle for the Senate[/URL]

GOP could pull 7 of the 9 Toss Ups and possibly 2 of the leans Dem. GOP House/Senate, with Obama as POTUS.....4 years of gridlock (not counting 2014 midterms). Over the last 30 yrs. or so, this type of arrangement bodes well for the economy (Clinton/Reagan). Obviously not my ideal scenario (plus I'm out $100 bucks), but could happen.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;929152]Thought this was interesting too.

[URL="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/senate/2012_elections_senate_map.html"]RealClearPolitics - 2012 Election Maps - Battle for the Senate[/URL]

GOP could pull 7 of the 9 Toss Ups and possibly 2 of the leans Dem. GOP House/Senate, with Obama as POTUS.....4 years of gridlock (not counting 2014 midterms). Over the last 30 yrs. or so, this type of arrangement bodes well for the economy (Clinton/Reagan). Obviously not my ideal scenario (plus I'm out $100 bucks), but could happen.[/quote]

You losing $100 is a forgone conclusion, in fact, I am so confident that I am willing to bet in 12thMan's place and put another 100 in the pot.

Brown isn't winning MA and neither is McCaskill in MO. Nelson is an old dog with cat like lives, Tester is done for and Allen Macaca isn't going to win VA... ultimately Dems need 3 seats to maintain control which really doesn't mean much these days as Republicans have indiscriminately utilized the filibuster to instituting gridlock the last 3.5 years.

Bottom line, your money is going to get spent with or without a Federal Budget and you need to get these stupid Republican talking points out of your head and assume the fetal position or just grab your ankles, it will all go a lot smoother that way.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;929113]You've got to stop parroting the talking points and look deeper.

- Obama had no choice in extending the Bush tax cuts, if he didn't the economy would be definitively worse than it already is and he wouldn't even have a shot at winning in Nov. His position is higher taxes and "spreading the wealth around" , no way to deny that.

- What a Dem controlled Congress passed was not what the GOP originally designed.

- Dramatic decrease in fed workers.....you need to check out your own liberal sites? Read this from Politifact:
[url=http://www.thewarpath.net/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=929070]The Warpath[/url]

From the link: "First, let’s look at federal government employment, which accounts for just 13 percent of all government employment. [I]The number of federal workers has increased by 38,000 over the same period -- an increase of 1.4 percent.[/I]

And if you separate out the U.S. Postal Service, the growth was even bigger. [I][B]Non-postal federal employment -- about 10 percent of all government employment -- increased over the same period by 139,000 workers, or 6.7 percent."[/B][/I]

- Added 5M jobs???? Are you kidding me? This is from the Communist News Network in Jan. 2012, I know the private sector didn't add 6M jobs since then:
[URL="http://money.cnn.com/2012/01/25/news/economy/obama_government/index.htm"]Did Obama really make government bigger? - Jan. 25, 2012[/URL]
"The federal government has been one of the few areas that's grown during the economic downturn. [I][B]The private sector remains down 1.1 million jobs from the start of 2009, while state and local governments have shed 635,000 positions.[/B][/I]

[B]Actual facts from Fox News in June 2012[/B]
By going back 27 months, Obama starts counting at the low point of employment for the private sector in February 2010 and tracks how far it has come. But counting farther back, since the end of the recession in June 2009, private-sector job gains have been much more modest, 3.1 million. That's a more meaningful measurement to economists.
[I][B]Overall, the economy has lost 1.37 million jobs — 784,000 in the private sector — since Obama was inaugurated.[/B][/I]
Read more: [URL="http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/15/fact-check-where-obama-romney-missed-mark/#ixzz22tGvxTyK"]FACT CHECK: Where Obama, Romney missed mark | Fox News[/URL]


Just thought I'd throw these out. Obama was rated by National Journal as the most liberal senator for 2007 and 10th most liberal in 2006.

Don't try to cover for Obama's far-left positions, he is who he is. He needs to just come out and make the case for European Socialism to the American people and let the chips fall where they may.
[URL="http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/302031/obamas-third-party-history-stanley-kurtz?pg=2"]Obama’s Third-Party History - Stanley Kurtz - National Review Online[/URL]


P.S. You never came up with an answer for me on the green energy (junk bond) loans?[/quote]

Wait a minute, Slingin. Either Obama governed from the far left or he didn't. Your excuse that he had no choice but to extend the Bush tax cuts doesn't ring honest to me. He most certainly had a choice in the matter and he chose to do the reasonable thing at the time. Why can't you admit that?

In the process of extending the Bush tax cuts for 2 years Republicans made some concessions. That's politics; the art of compromise. Good grief, man. If Obama was such an ideologue, as you claim, he would have absolutely let the tax cuts expire and drove the country off the cliff. But he didn't.

As far as the rest of your claims, they really don't mean anything if you see all of the president's actions through the lens of "far left". On many accounts, he's been a pragmatist. Shocker! Not always getting optimal results, but on a range of issues, particularly foreign policy, Obama's been more centrist than his opponents would like to admit.

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Again, you repeat the blatant lie that Obama raised taxes and you know full well that he's cut them; at least 18 times. Between extending the Bush tax cuts and the stimulus (36% tax cuts), you're talking massive cuts across the board. But oh no...he's distributing the wealth. Socialism!! Get outta here. It's a lie.

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On second thought, let's just look at one clean chart from the Wall Street Journal. A trustworthy right leaning source.

[url=http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/]Bush On Jobs: The Worst Track Record On Record - Real Time Economics - WSJ[/url]

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Ever notice when conservatives decry Obama socialism they rarely, if ever, point to an actual policy signed into law?

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[quote=12thMan;929171]Ever notice when conservatives decry Obama socialism they rarely, if ever, point to an actual policy signed into law?[/quote]


Indoctrination.


[url=http://nation.foxnews.com/president-obama/2012/06/22/crowley-pres-obama-skinny-socialist-and-big-fat-liar]Crowley: Pres. Obama Is a 'Skinny Socialist' and 'Big, Fat Liar' - President Obama - Fox Nation[/url]

[url=http://nation.foxnews.com/barack-obama/2012/04/30/obama-s-new-campaign-slogan-s-historical-ties-marxism-socialism]Obama’s New Campaign Slogan’s Historical Ties to Marxism, Socialism - Barack Obama - Fox Nation[/url]

[url=http://nation.foxnews.com/barack-obama/2012/06/04/obama-socialist-ap-runs-1365-word-fact-check]Obama a Socialist? AP Runs 1,365-Word Fact Check - Barack Obama - Fox Nation[/url]

[url=http://nation.foxnews.com/medal-freedom/2012/05/29/obama-awards-medal-freedom-socialist]Obama Awards Medal of Freedom to Socialist? - Medal Of Freedom - Fox Nation[/url]

[url=http://nation.foxnews.com/president-obama/2012/05/24/obamas-socialist-connection]Obama's Socialist Connection - President Obama - Fox Nation[/url]

[url=http://video.foxnews.com/v/4139297/barack-obama-socialist/]Barack Obama, Socialist?[/url]

(all this with 10 secs from google, imagine if I really researched it)


Do you now understand why Fox News target audience relates to Obama as a socialist/communist?



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Best site for everyone. (Conservatives, liberals, independents, and liberterians)
[url=http://factcheck.org/]FactCheck.org | A Project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center[/url]

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^^indeed DB.



Also, I thought this was a appropriate time for a LOL MORMONS moment.



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Context:

[quote]Kolob is a star or planet described in Mormon scripture. Reference to Kolob is found in the Book of Abraham, a work published by Joseph Smith, Jr., the founder of the Latter Day Saint movement. According to this work, Kolob is the heavenly body nearest to the throne of God. While the Book of Abraham refers to Kolob as a "star",[1] it also refers to planets as stars,[2] and therefore, some LDS commentators consider Kolob to be a planet.[3] Other Latter Day Saints, or Mormons), consider Kolob to be a metaphor.[/quote]

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[quote=NC_Skins;929180]^^indeed DB.



Also, I thought this was a appropriate time for a LOL MORMONS moment.



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Honestly he can believe whatever he wants and still be President in my book so long as he keeps it separate from his policies.

Right now for example I'm gambling that Bush was more pro-life then Romney and it did nothing to overturn Roe vs Wade and I think that at his core Romney the politician is socially moderate. In fact one analyst said it best in that Romneys flip flopping is an advantage because people can imagine their own Romney which might even be the case with me.

In the end the thing thats always scary as hell with conservatives is they have the potential to take us backwards in terms of social issues. However in terms of economic policies I agree on their philosophies and historically they are more talk then action when it comes to social issues.