Re: Redskins 2012 Salary Cap Status
 

[quote=skinsfan69;896100]They should've thought of this before they made the trade. No we're really ****ed.[/quote]how so?

Re: Redskins 2012 Salary Cap Status
 

[quote=SmootSmack;896159]I can't understand how the league would approve the contract restructures of Haynesworth and Hall, then turn around and say it's obvious you were trying to circumvent the rules...so we're going to punish you[/quote]

Amen Smooty. Talk to your people!!

Re: Redskins 2011 Salary Cap Status
 

I can assure the accuracy of this $35.25 number reconciled with the official NFL report from yesterday.

There will be no accounting for the $36 million penalty here because the Redskins can just pay whatever remains on their 2012 cap (if the penalty stands at all). That will be a big part of the 2013 cap analysis though if it stands.

[B]**UPDATED (March 12, 2012)** Redskins 2012 Salary Cap Info[/B]

[U]2012 Salary Cap Situation[/U]
1. Salary Cap Projection = [COLOR="Silver"]$124 million $120.375 million[/COLOR] $120.6 million <-- Small salary cap increase
2a. Number of players under contract for the Redskins = [COLOR="Silver"]47 56[/COLOR] 54
2b. Redskins Cap Number, March 2 2012 = [COLOR="Silver"]$86.3 million[/COLOR] $93.1 million
2c. Difference between adjusted 2012 cap number and projected cap = $27.5 million
2d. Redskins 2011 Salary Cap Rollover = $13 million
[B]3. Salary Cap space, February 2012 + cap rollover = $40.5 million[/B]

4. Potential player releases from $90 million cap number (plus 390k UDFA val):[INDENT]DeAngelo Hall, $6.2 million-390k = $5.8 million net gain
[B]O.J. Atogwe, $4.0 million-390k = $3.6 million net gain CONFIRMED[/B]
Jammal Brown, -$650k-390k = -$1.04 million [net loss]
John Beck, $1 million-390k = $0.6 million net gain
[B]Mike Sellers, $925k-390k = $0.55 million net gain CONFIRMED[/B]
Reed Doughty, $1.15 million-390k = $0.76 million net gain
Santana Moss, $484k-390k = $0.1 million net gain
Chris Cooley, $2.07 million-390k = $1.68 million net gain

Total = $13.94 million retrievable[/INDENT]
4b. Actual Cap Retrieved from Player Releases/Restructures: $4.15 million

5. Space for potential releases PLUS existing cap space = [B]$55.84 million available[/B] (does not include June 1 release flexibility)

[COLOR="Silver"]6a. [I]Rule of 51 = 4 contracts at league min (390k) = $1.56 million[/I][/COLOR] <--the Redskins now have more than 51 players under contract
6b. Redskins Exclusive Rights Free Agents, less UDFA rookie minimum (375k per)[INDENT][B]Graham Gano, 2012 Cap Number = $0.54 million-390k = $0.15 million[/B]

Total as of January 17 = $150k[/INDENT]
6c. Redskins Restricted Free Agents, less UDFA rookie minimum (375k per)[INDENT][B]Kory Lichtensteiger, 2012 Cap Number = [COLOR="Silver"]$1.875 million-390k = $1.5 million (projected 2nd round tender)[/COLOR] $1.2 million-390k = $0.81 million (original round (4th) tender) CONFIRMED[/B]
[COLOR="Silver"]Byron Westbrook, 2012 Cap Number = $1.2 million-390k = $0.825 million (projected low tender) [/COLOR]<-- Rich Tandler reports Redskins will not offer RFA tender to Westbrook

Total as of March 11 = $0.81 million[/INDENT]
6d. Redskins Unrestricted Free Agents and PROJECTED CAP FIGURES, less UDFA rookie minimum (390k per):[INDENT]London Fletcher, 2011 Cap Number = $5.67 million-390k = $5.28 million
[B]Fred Davis, 2011 FRANCHISE TENDER = $5.446 million-390k = $5.056 million CONFIRMED[/B]
[B]Will Montgomery, 2012 Cap Number = $3.5 million-390k =$3.11 million CONFIRMED[/B]
Adam Carriker, 2011 Cap Number = $3.25 million-390k = $2.86 million
Tim Hightower, 2011 Cap Number = $1.5 million-390k = $1.11 million
[B]Darrion Scott, 2012 Cap Number = $650k-$390k =$260k[/B]

Rex Grossman
Rocky McIntosh
Kedric Golston
Donte Stallworth
David Anderson
Sean Locklear
Phillip Buchanon
Keyaron Fox
Byron Westbrook <-- added

[COLOR="Silver"]PROJECTED Total as of January 17 = $20.085 million[/COLOR] <--Removed Landry's projection
PROJECTED Total as of [COLOR="Silver"]March 2 = $18.911 million[/COLOR] March 11 = $18.636 million
[B]ACCUMULATED Total as of [COLOR="silver"]March 2 = $9.489 million[/COLOR] March 11 = $9.386 million [/B][/INDENT]
6f. [B]Accumulated re-signings = $9.386 million[/B]

7. Signed unrestricted free agents from other teams:
[Indent] [/Indent]
Total as of January 17: N/A

8. [B]Salary Cap space after projected re-signings, March 12, 2012 [/B]=[B]$26.05 million[/B]
Actual salary cap space as of March 12, 2012 (minus allowances for tenders including TE franchise tag): [SIZE="4"] $35.25 million[/SIZE]

Re: Redskins 2012 Salary Cap Status
 

[URL="http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.footballoutsiders.com/under-cap/2010/under-cap-redskins-utilizing-uncapped-year"]J.I. Halsell[/URL] [URL="www.*footballoutsider*s.*com/*under-*cap/*2010/*under-*cap-*redskins-*utilizing-*uncapped-*year"]in 2010[/URL]:

[QUOTE]As I’ve previously written, given the uncertainty of what 2011 holds, clubs who take advantage of the uncapped year by incurring high team salaries in 2010 run the risk of possibly being penalized in 2011 as part of a new salary cap and CBA. Clearly, this is a risk the Redskins are willing to take -- or perhaps they know something the rest of us don’t.[/QUOTE]

Re: Redskins 2012 Salary Cap Status
 

[quote=GTripp0012;896699][URL="http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.footballoutsiders.com/under-cap/2010/under-cap-redskins-utilizing-uncapped-year"]J.I. Halsell[/URL] [URL="www.*footballoutsider*s.*com/*under-*cap/*2010/*under-*cap-*redskins-*utilizing-*uncapped-*year"]in 2010[/URL]:[/quote]
Now this puts into perspective just how warned teams were... Interesting, maybe we're jumping the gun.

Re: Redskins 2012 Salary Cap Status
 

[quote=skinsfan69;896100]They should've thought of this before they made the trade. No we're really ****ed.[/quote]

[IMG]http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/52/salarycaphell.jpg/[/IMG]

Re: Redskins 2012 Salary Cap Status
 

[quote=IrMitchell;896702]Now this puts into perspective just how warned teams were... Interesting, [B]maybe we're jumping the gun[/B].[/quote]

nah, when does that ever happen? ;)

Re: Redskins 2012 Salary Cap Status
 

so now that we know were taking a 18MM hit this year, how much do we have left to spend?

Re: Redskins 2012 Salary Cap Status
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;897128]so now that we know were taking a 18MM hit this year, how much do we have left to spend?[/quote]

Around 15 mil

Re: Redskins 2012 Salary Cap Status
 

[QUOTE=GTripp0012;896699][URL="http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.footballoutsiders.com/under-cap/2010/under-cap-redskins-utilizing-uncapped-year"]J.I. Halsell[/URL] [URL="www.*footballoutsider*s.*com/*under-*cap/*2010/*under-*cap-*redskins-*utilizing-*uncapped-*year"]in 2010[/URL]:[/QUOTE]

Awesome...So this was negotiated into the new CBA right? Wait, what? No? You mean they're just making this up as they go? No way!

It wasn't part of the CBA...plain and simple. The league strong-armed the NFLPA into agreeing to this. They extorted them essentially. The facts are this.

The Skins and other teams took advantage both legally and in the spirit of a CBA tool meant to punish one or both sides for allowing the uncapped year to happen.
Many owners colluded to strip said tool of the power it held from a labor standpoint.
The league allowed the contracts in spite of the fact that there was an agreement not do allow such behavior.


It cannot be stated more clearly...the league is punishing two teams, entirely without regard for the other teams in the league that acted similarly, for not engaging in an illegal labor negotiating ploy.

The argument that what they did created competitive imbalance, while on it's face pretty dubious, is completely irrelevant. THAT WAS WHAT THE UNCAPPED YEAR WAS INTENDED TO DO.

Re: Redskins 2012 Salary Cap Status
 

Anyone care to explain where JLC is getting these numbers? I wonder if he meant these are the cap numbers with the cap penalties.

[url=http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/13/salary-cap-numbers-for-all-32-nfl-teams/]NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Salary cap numbers for all 32 NFL teams «[/url]

Re: Redskins 2012 Salary Cap Status
 

You're right about everything you said, but in the end, the league can pretty much do whatever they want. It's not fair, but it is what it is.

Re: Redskins 2012 Salary Cap Status
 

[quote=Ruhskins;897138]Anyone care to explain where JLC is getting these numbers? I wonder if he meant these are the cap numbers with the cap penalties.

[url=http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/13/salary-cap-numbers-for-all-32-nfl-teams/]NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Salary cap numbers for all 32 NFL teams «[/url][/quote]

Ya not sure where he gets these. You are probably right, these numbers likely include an $18M cap charge in 2012.

Re: Redskins 2012 Salary Cap Status
 

[quote=Ruhskins;897138]Anyone care to explain where JLC is getting these numbers? I wonder if he meant these are the cap numbers with the cap penalties.

[URL="http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/13/salary-cap-numbers-for-all-32-nfl-teams/"]NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Salary cap numbers for all 32 NFL teams «[/URL][/quote]

I don't think that includes the $13M in space that the Skins got to carry over from last year.

Re: Redskins 2012 Salary Cap Status
 

[quote=CrazyCanuck;897182]Ya not sure where he gets these. You are probably right, these numbers likely include an $18M cap charge in 2012.[/quote]
I was just thinking of something with this $18 million crap. Isn't it really $19.6 million because of the extra $1.6 million or whatever it was that every other team got that we didn't get. That extra $1.6 million is already added in to the $120 million cap number.