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[quote=celts32;537198]In my mind he is...but I am not here to bash Campbell. I think Campbell can develop into a good starter. I just think Cutler has already shown he's a good starter and he could become great.

[b]I discount Cutlers W/L record becasue his defense is awful.[\b][/quote]
If that's the case, how many of Campbell's losses do you discount because of the defense or other factors? Does the Rams loss count against him (Kendall fumble at the end of the 1st half, deep pass with less than 2 mins leading to the game winning FG)? Does the Cowboys loss in '07 count against him (4 TD given up to T.O.)? Does the SF loss count against him (giving up a game winning drive with less than 2 mins)? How can you apply that standard to one JC and not the other JC?

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[quote=celts32;537187]Well Rivers rep is not all that great either. A lot of QB's are cocky and diva like...these two guys have probably been told they were great since they were 8 years old. Of course they have big egos.[/quote]

I'm not talking about ego, I'm talking about him being a jerk. There's a difference.

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[quote=Mattyk72;537199]Was his defense terrible in college too? Just asking I really didn't follow him in college.[/quote]

Well, playing for Vanderbilt in the SEC, his teams were usually pretty overmatched on both sides of the ball. I will say that he probably gets some of his jerk attitude from his dad. I remember when Vandy played Florida in the Swamp during Cutler's last season, they were hanging tight with the Gators, and he was lighting it up. His dad got into a shouting match with Gator fans and was doing a mock gator chomp right in the face of some girls. Pretty lame. The look on his face when Florida ended up winning was great.

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I dont think theres any question that Cutler is a better QB than Campbell is at this point in thier careers. However, Cutler isn't that much better... atleast not enough to warrant giving up our first rounder, and thats exactly what it would take to get him.

At this point, we've already paid Campbell a 2M bonus - if we were going to get rid of him, we should have done it a few weeks ago. Jason Campbell is our starter in 2009. If he gets the job done, we can extend him, give him a high tender, or franchise him in 2010. If he doesnt (much more likely), we will simply let him walk and get a 3rd round comp pick for him in 2011.

I was a proponent of trading Campbell earlier in the offseason, but at this point he's definitely going to be our starter this year (not that there was really ever any doubt about that to begin with). He's the best QB on our roster by far, and we need to hope he improves. If not, we can put Brennan in there half-way through the season and see if he has anything. No matter what happens, we'll have a clear picture of our QB situation (even if that picture is bleak), by the end of the season.

Re: Seems like Cutler might be available.
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;537204]I dont think theres any question that Cutler is a better QB than Campbell is at this point in thier careers. However, Cutler isn't that much better... atleast not enough to warrant giving up our first rounder, and thats exactly what it would take to get him.

At this point, we've already paid Campbell a 2M bonus - if we were going to get rid of him, we should have done it a few weeks ago. Jason Campbell is our starter in 2009. If he gets the job done, we can extend him, give him a high tender, or franchise him in 2010. If he doesnt (much more likely), we will simply let him walk and get a 3rd round comp pick for him in 2011.

I was a proponent of trading Campbell earlier in the offseason, but at this point he's definitely going to be our starter this year (not that there was really ever any doubt about that to begin with). He's the best QB on our roster by far, and we need to hope he improves. If not, [B]we can put Brennan in there half-way through the season and see if he has anything[/B]. No matter what happens, we'll have a clear picture of our QB situation (even if that picture is bleak), by the end of the season.[/quote]

Nice to see the Colt Brennan talks are still alive and well on The Warpath. :D


I have full faith in Campbell that if given a competent O-Line, that he can be a great QB in this league for the Skins.

Doesn't matter who's taking the snaps with the lack of protection our line provided last season.

We need to keep him.

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[quote=skinsfan69;537186]The more I hear about this story the more I agree wih you. Cutler seems like a spoiled baby. I just heard he's not even returning calls from the owner. That's just insane, If the guy that signs your check calls you, you pick up the damn phone.[/quote]

It sounds to me like he is just trying to whine his way out of Denver b/c they dumped the coaches he liked.

Newsflash: Take off the pampers and be a man. If you think they treated you disrespectfully, show'em up with your play not your mouth.

I join the "not gonna happen" crowd. Even if it could, I wouldn't touch this whiner with a 10 foot pole.

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The Lions are the most common team being mentioned as a possible trade partner for the Broncos, but a lot of people here are buzzing about the Browns (which wouldn't make any sense, why would the Broncos trade him inside the conference?)

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[quote=Paintrain;537200]If that's the case, how many of Campbell's losses do you discount because of the defense or other factors? Does the Rams loss count against him (Kendall fumble at the end of the 1st half, deep pass with less than 2 mins leading to the game winning FG)? Does the Cowboys loss in '07 count against him (4 TD given up to T.O.)? Does the SF loss count against him (giving up a game winning drive with less than 2 mins)? How can you apply that standard to one JC and not the other JC?[/quote]

I think a lot of the losses are not on JC. I already told you I am not bashing JC. I am not actively looking to replace JC at all. I just happen to love Cutler and if I can get Cutler I would do it. If I can't I am perfectly happy with JC as the starter. Thinking that Cutler is an upgrade over JC does not mean I hate JC.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;537232]It sounds to me like he is just trying to whine his way out of Denver b/c they dumped the coaches he liked.

Newsflash: Take off the pampers and be a man. If you think they treated you disrespectfully, show'em up with your play not your mouth.

I join the "not gonna happen" crowd. Even if it could, I wouldn't touch this whiner with a 10 foot pole.[/quote]

There must something about Denver and Whiners. Remember when Elway was drafted by the then Baltimore Colts and he refused to play for them unless he was traded? He got his wish and was traded to the Broncos.

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I am gonna base this post on the assumption that everything Cutler has said is basiaclly true. Only because Denver hasn't really contradicted it. First Cutler is a douche. This should have been handled internally. That being said I can't blame the guy for being pissed. First they fire his coach(I know "wah!!!") then they promise him they won't fire his OC and they do. Then they hire a guy who comes in and wants to dump his ass for another QB. Yes he should handle it internally but the Broncos should shut the hell up about him "being ateam leader". They aren't treaing him like a team leader. And the idiocy of the head coach big timing Cutler in the meeting takes the cake. As HC he needs to be cultivating relationships...not telling hi QB he would trade at any time if the deal was right. That's just dumb. I think they are all being wankers.

Re: Seems like Cutler might be available.
 

[quote=Buster;537228]Nice to see the Colt Brennan talks are still alive and well on The Warpath. :D


I have full faith in Campbell that if given a competent O-Line, that he can be a great QB in this league for the Skins.

Doesn't matter who's taking the snaps with the lack of protection our line provided last season.

We need to keep him.[/quote]

If Campbell appeared to be a failure half-way through the season, what reason would we have NOT to try Brennan?

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[quote=SmootSmack;537234]The Lions are the most common team being mentioned as a possible trade partner for the Broncos, but a lot of people here are buzzing about the Browns (which wouldn't make any sense, why would the Broncos trade him inside the conference?)[/quote]

For Brady Quinn maybe?

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I wouldn't trade a player of Cutler's caliber within conference much less in division. Unless the deal was remarkable.

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[quote=Mattyk72;537201]I'm not talking about ego, I'm talking about him being a jerk. There's a difference.[/quote]

I have heard Rivers charicterized as a jerk more often then Cutler. And honestly I don't care...I think both are great. I am willing to accept some jerkiness or diva behavior if it comes along with a great QB. A jerk OL or a jerk WR...not so much but for a great QB I will put up with a little bit more.

I know Smootsmack said he was a jerk and maybe he has info I don't but the way he's acting now comes off more as a baby to me then a jerk. babies grow up but jerks never change.

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I'd trade Campbell and one of our mid round picks for Cutler in a heart beat. The way this is going, that deal may get accepted. I really don't see Cutler as a baby in this situation. Cutler has been at the Broncos facility all off season working on the new play book, working out, etc. He reportedly wanted to work out the deal on conference calls, etc. To me, it looks like the Bellichek asshole has rubbed off on McDaniels. This article by Mort is pretty good: [url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3983805]Meeting with Josh McDaniels, GM backfires, Jay Cutler asks Denver Broncos for trade - ESPN[/url]