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[quote=44ever;521659]Lets not forget Desmond turned into a SB MVP. Redskins had the forsight to draft him but not to keep him.

Strange how many good/great players came to the Skins and flopped. They get on other teams and produce???[/quote]

Sounds sort of like the same thing in Chicago eh? and maybe Oakland? lol, i guess were not far along from them after all, well not oakland but chicago

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[quote=MiraclesHappen07;521668]Sounds sort of like the same thing in Chicago eh? and maybe Oakland? lol, i guess were not far along from them after all, well not oakland but chicago[/quote]

I don't know. But I do have a good feeling Zorns going to put the pieces together.

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[quote=44ever;521671]I don't know. But I do have a good feeling Zorns going to put the pieces together.[/quote]

Looks like those pain pills are kicking in :D I kid I kid.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;521676]Looks like those pain pills are kicking in :D I kid I kid.[/quote]

Funny you say that :)

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Anybody think about Darrell Jackson for next year? We could probably get pretty good value since he's been injured the past 3 years. He hasn't been good since Seattle, but then he was in the west coast offense and Zorn was there.

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I think Jackson has nothing at all to offer us

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[quote=SmootSmack;521786]I think Jackson has nothing at all to offer us[/quote]

2nd that. He's slowed down and is injury prone.

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[quote=A10sROCK;521652]The best teams and most consistent teams build for the OL and DL. they use their best draft picks there. Read NE, Pitts, Gints, Eagles.

We consistently "draft for the flash" and have been at the bottom of the NFL win/loss record since we started drafting Desmond Howard back in the day.

We need to let this rookie class of WR / TE see if they have the NFL juice. If Jason has a strong OL and protection, he may do better and there can be no excuses for him or these new WR.

I was surprised the either Hixon or Danny Smith were not replaced as coaches this season. I guess that Zorn thinks we are on the edge of greatness and that no changes are necessary on his entire coaching staff. We shall see.[/quote]

Exactly. The Titans didn't need no stinkin' receivers;) If it weren't for some fluky and ill-timed turnovers against the Ravens, they would have coasted to the AFC Championship game. Steelers don't need them either. They let Plaxico go and win the Super Bowl. Hines goes down in the AFC Championship, and they still win. McNabb has scrubs every year, but they go to 5 NFC Champhionships and 1 Super Bowl in 8 years. Brady won 3 Super Bowls with average receivers.

The Skins need line men and play makers on Defense. Any half way decent QB can throw to half way decent receivers (by the way, tight ends and running backs are allowed to catch passes as well) all day if he has time to throw. Campbell needs all day, so draft line men and give him all day. Case Closed.

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[quote=44Deezel;522834]Exactly. The Titans didn't need no stinkin' receivers;) If it weren't for some fluky and ill-timed turnovers against the Ravens, they would have coasted to the AFC Championship game. Steelers don't need them either. They let Plaxico go and win the Super Bowl. Hines goes down in the AFC Championship, and they still win. McNabb has scrubs every year, but they go to 5 NFC Champhionships and 1 Super Bowl in 8 years. Brady won 3 Super Bowls with average receivers.

The Skins need line men and play makers on Defense. Any half way decent QB can throw to half way decent receivers (by the way, tight ends and running backs are allowed to catch passes as well) all day if he has time to throw. Campbell needs all day, so draft line men and give him all day. Case Closed.[/quote]

After Ward, the Steelers have a good receiver in Santonio Holmes. They also have a decent TE in Smith. Let's not forget the very good/almost elite defense that the Steelers have. McNabb wasn't successful last year when they really didn't have any receivers. This year he had DeSean Jackson. Also let's not forget Westbrook, he's a big threat as a pass catching RB.

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To be a broken drum, WR RARELY contribute the first year. recent examples, roddy white, calvin johnson, ect.

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[quote=Ruhskins;522839]After Ward, the Steelers have a good receiver in Santonio Holmes. They also have a decent TE in Smith. Let's not forget the very good/almost elite defense that the Steelers have. McNabb wasn't successful last year when they really didn't have any receivers. This year he had DeSean Jackson. Also let's not forget Westbrook, he's a big threat as a pass catching RB.[/quote]

Like I said, the Steelers still had an effective offense when Ward went out, and we have a good receiver in Moss and a pro-bow TE in Cooley (Smith plays for the Eagles, Miller for the Steelers). The Eagles were MUCH better in previous years when they didn't have Jackson and there's nothing stopping the Redskins from using the RBs in the passing game except for poor coaching and play calling. And I also used the '08 Titans and Patriots of the last 8 years as an example, and could have thrown in the Ravens for good measure. WRs are not the key to being successful in the NFL. Even the Cardinals were a 9-7 team this year and could very well be a flash in the pan.

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[quote=NM Redskin;522840]To be a broken drum, WR RARELY contribute the first year. recent examples, roddy white, calvin johnson, ect.[/quote]

Roddy White didn't contribute until the Falcons got a legitimate QB and CJ had 756 yards his rookie year... and we all know what DeSean Jackson and Eddie Royal did this year and guys like Colston have done in previous years.

WR and RB are actually the positions where rookies DO tend to contribue right out the shoot. However, the best way to guarantee they won't contribute is to keep them on the sidelines, as evidenced by the Skins coaching staff.

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[quote=Ruhskins;522839]After Ward, the Steelers have a good receiver in Santonio Holmes. They also have a decent TE in Smith. Let's not forget the very good/almost elite defense that the Steelers have. McNabb wasn't successful last year when they really didn't have any receivers. This year he had DeSean Jackson. Also let's not forget Westbrook, he's a big threat as a pass catching RB.[/quote]

you mean Heath Miller hes the TE for the Steelers

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[quote=44Deezel;522854]Roddy White didn't contribute until the Falcons got a legitimate QB and CJ had 756 yards his rookie year... and we all know what DeSean Jackson and Eddie Royal did this year and guys like Colston have done in previous years.

WR and RB are actually the positions where rookies DO tend to contribue right out the shoot. However, the best way to guarantee they won't contribute is to keep them on the sidelines, as evidenced by the Skins coaching staff.[/quote]

The thing is Calvin had Roy Williams not saying that he wasnt good its just that if you dont know who will contribute right away look at Chad Johnson rookie season to his second season. Injuries hurt our WRs this year which in turn kept them out of practice which wouldn't let them learn the offense as fast. Now that they have an off season to absorb it. Give them one year

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;522856]The thing is Calvin had Roy Williams not saying that he wasnt good its just that if you dont know who will contribute right away look at Chad Johnson rookie season to his second season. Injuries hurt our WRs this year which in turn kept them out of practice which wouldn't let them learn the offense as fast. Now that they have an off season to absorb it. Give them one year[/quote]

My point has always been that other teams would have found a way to get better production out of Thomas, Kelly and Davis in their rookie season (or any of our rookies for that matter).

Our receiving corps was one of the worst in the league, so the rooks couldn't have possibly been much worse (Kelly on a unicycle is better than Thrash). I'm not willing to give the coaching staff the benefit of the doubt, since they can't point to a single rookie that contributed by design. It took an injury to Doughty to figure out what Horton could do with playing time, so that was pure serendipity.

I fear we're going to spend next season watching Kelly and Thomas go through some of the growing pains we saw from DeSean Jackson this past season (remember all those drops against us?). Just my opinion.