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Wow...
I am 100% torn on this one guys. I have been an ardent coaching staff supporter but part of me is now conflicted.
While I trust Gibbs and company 100% to make proper personel decisions I wonder how this situation got so mismanaged. The problem here seems to me not that Lavar should or shouldn't be playing but that Lavar seems to want to be treated one way but all his actions and reputation have soured enough opinions of him that he can't possibly be treated that way.
Let's clear one thing up. There have been rumors since he was drafted that he freelanced too much and couldn't be counted on to stick to assignments. These were rumors from everywhere and not within the Skisn necessarily. I think it is pretty obvious that the defensive coaching staff felt strongly that Lavar wouldn't fit in with his style of freelancing and by sheer bad luck he never got a chance to prove them wrong because of injuries. This whole situation has pretty much convinced me that Lavar does indeed freelance too much. It is hard for us to see because we don't know what assignments are what and for whom but considering this defense has been successful for two years now and there are exactly 0 complaints from other players it is real obvious that Lavar is not fitting in as well as we would hope given his abilities.
Given all that I would advocate moving Lavar on since he is getting way more money than his value should indicate.
But on the other hand I see a guy who is clearly very talented and clearly very positiviely emotional about being a Redskins and I would have thought the coaches could have cultivated this and found the best way to use him since he really seems like a Gibbs kinda guy. I don't think changing a scheme to fit him in is the right thing to do but I can't honestly believe that with work the coaches couldn't get him into the mental state that they needed for him to honor assigments. It disappoints me that it seems they are far too willing to move on without a guy who should be a star player for you even though you have been successful but I also realize that this is the way the league works now. Take it or leave it. Guys can't just stick around because they are liked by fans. The cap means if he can't produce up to what he is paid he has to go. I just wish he could have been treated better. I also wish he didn't take everything so personally and inflame the situation. Nothing good can come from any of this I don't think.
I pretty much agree, good post
12thMan 12-30-2005, 01:36 PM It seems that whenever the situation was getting better and everyone was moving on, LaVar would keep picking at that same "scab", so to speak, and would never let the situation heal. Not once has he put any of the blame on his agents (Postons) for the $6.5 mil debacle.
From what I can tell, no one has really been quoted as saying much about the way LaVar has been treated except LaVar. I haven't heard Gibbs say much, Snyder has been practically silent, and GW has only said things relative to his performance and injuries.
Most of the ill feelings about the situation have been pretty much media generated or by LaVar.
As far as distractions go, I don't think this is comparable to the TO situation. First of all, the team seems to be rally at the right time and the Portis pressers is adding some levity to the locker room. I think if LaVar was playing more of an impact role in this years' success, it would impact the team more.
But I think these guys are really focused right now.
skins052bgr8 12-30-2005, 02:00 PM Wow...
I am 100% torn on this one guys. I have been an ardent coaching staff supporter but part of me is now conflicted.
While I trust Gibbs and company 100% to make proper personel decisions I wonder how this situation got so mismanaged. The problem here seems to me not that Lavar should or shouldn't be playing but that Lavar seems to want to be treated one way but all his actions and reputation have soured enough opinions of him that he can't possibly be treated that way.
Let's clear one thing up. There have been rumors since he was drafted that he freelanced too much and couldn't be counted on to stick to assignments. These were rumors from everywhere and not within the Skisn necessarily. I think it is pretty obvious that the defensive coaching staff felt strongly that Lavar wouldn't fit in with his style of freelancing and by sheer bad luck he never got a chance to prove them wrong because of injuries. This whole situation has pretty much convinced me that Lavar does indeed freelance too much. It is hard for us to see because we don't know what assignments are what and for whom but considering this defense has been successful for two years now and there are exactly 0 complaints from other players it is real obvious that Lavar is not fitting in as well as we would hope given his abilities.
Given all that I would advocate moving Lavar on since he is getting way more money than his value should indicate.
But on the other hand I see a guy who is clearly very talented and clearly very positiviely emotional about being a Redskins and I would have thought the coaches could have cultivated this and found the best way to use him since he really seems like a Gibbs kinda guy. I don't think changing a scheme to fit him in is the right thing to do but I can't honestly believe that with work the coaches couldn't get him into the mental state that they needed for him to honor assigments. It disappoints me that it seems they are far too willing to move on without a guy who should be a star player for you even though you have been successful but I also realize that this is the way the league works now. Take it or leave it. Guys can't just stick around because they are liked by fans. The cap means if he can't produce up to what he is paid he has to go. I just wish he could have been treated better. I also wish he didn't take everything so personally and inflame the situation. Nothing good can come from any of this I don't think.
Well put, I share these same feelings, not furious at either side, but upset that it has come to this and trying to rationalize that we may loose a great talent, that could have been prevented. Many factors have fueled this fire from both sides and nothing good can come from this except when we win this week and go to the playoffs. I hope they can reconcile the differences, but I do think it has been damaged on both sides to move on beyond this season, but maybe it just sounds so bad from our stand point as fans and observers and the team and players move on.
firstdown 12-30-2005, 02:25 PM Right now the only comment I have on this is that Lavar should have waited until after the season to speak on this subject. Then he and the team would have months to work things out. I just hope that both sides will be professionals and go play hard football.
FRPLG 12-30-2005, 02:51 PM Right now the only comment I have on this is that Lavar should have waited until after the season to speak on this subject. Then he and the team would have months to work things out. I just hope that both sides will be professionals and go play hard football.
I agree but I also have seen the evidence that Lavar is a real emotional guy who takes things and internalizes them very deeply and personally so they stir up ardent feelings that he then is very unskilled at dealing with without lashing out. He has done this numerous times and in this case I think it is obvious he was lashing out after the incident with his coach. I expect a Joe Gibbs coaching staff to understand that they cannot truely treat everyone the same and berating Lavar on a personnel level in front of other players is not the right way to handle the situation. The coaching staff should know better than to press the wrong buttons on this guy. I am not advocating they coddle him but what's the point of yelling over and over again while bringing up persional stuff when it is clear you are pretty suspect that he'll ever be able to change? Seems like badgering for the sake of badgering. The blame for these comments coming out lies squarely on everyone's shoulders. Not just lavar's.
BigSKINBauer 12-30-2005, 03:52 PM Don Bank's take
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/don_banks/12/30/pregame.snaps.1230/index.html
"Nice timing, LaVar Arrington. If you weren't already persona non grata within the organization, you are now. Holding court on your future during the week leading up to the Redskins' biggest game since 1999 is exactly why you're considered part of the problem rather than part of the answer in D.C. Arrington has waited six seasons to play for a postseason berth, and he picks this week to make it all about him."
#56fanatic 12-30-2005, 03:55 PM Have any one of you guys read the article in the post today from Wise. Sums up alot of crap going on inside Redskin Park. I think they are treating him like crap, just like other players in the past. You get on the bad side of danny, and out the door you go. Brian Mitchell, champ, Lav Coles,(although this one has been awesome for us) now LaVar. Wouldn't you think a guy as disciplined and hard nosed as Marty and his brother would have said something about LaVar being careless or undisciplined if he truley was that way. I do believe LaVar likes to make plays using his athletic ability, it would be a waste if he didn't. However, how much of that is contributed to new defensive coordinator every year for 5 years. Maybe some. Maybe he doesn't pick up things as quickly as others, and plays on ability alot. I dont know, not on the field to see what is actually happening. Taylor is out of position alot, I dont hear about him getting berated on the sideline or in the locker room. I just dont get it. Hopefully LaVar will not walk away from the game,, and play for someone else. Just not for somebody in our division.
His life would be infinitely easier if he would learn to keep his mouth closed! He continues to shoot himself in the foot with comments to the press! I am going to have to hear a whole lot more information than I have, to make me believe he is being unfairly treated, or there is some sort of LA conspiracy. I wish him good luck, a long, and successful career with the team, and a closed mouth!
firstdown 12-30-2005, 04:09 PM Have any one of you guys read the article in the post today from Wise. Sums up alot of crap going on inside Redskin Park. I think they are treating him like crap, just like other players in the past. You get on the bad side of danny, and out the door you go. Brian Mitchell, champ, Lav Coles,(although this one has been awesome for us) now LaVar. Wouldn't you think a guy as disciplined and hard nosed as Marty and his brother would have said something about LaVar being careless or undisciplined if he truley was that way. I do believe LaVar likes to make plays using his athletic ability, it would be a waste if he didn't. However, how much of that is contributed to new defensive coordinator every year for 5 years. Maybe some. Maybe he doesn't pick up things as quickly as others, and plays on ability alot. I dont know, not on the field to see what is actually happening. Taylor is out of position alot, I dont hear about him getting berated on the sideline or in the locker room. I just dont get it. Hopefully LaVar will not walk away from the game,, and play for someone else. Just not for somebody in our division.Your right they probably only call out Lavar or maybe just in Lavars mind. When you think you might be on the chopping block every thing seems like alot more than they realy are. I did read the article and it seem pretty one sided to me I'm sure its all Snyder. Correct me if I'm wrong but the whole Cole's thing started with his unhappyness with the O then it spilled over to him and Snyder. Bailey was a cap problem so we had to trade him and Brian Mitchell I can't remember. How can we judge a situation with only one side of an arguement. I just think his timing is a little suspect and just maybe its Lavar trying to get back at the team thinking he may get cut after the season is over but that would be just a guess just as accusing the owners and coaching staff.
#56fanatic 12-30-2005, 04:24 PM Your right they probably only call out Lavar or maybe just in Lavars mind. When you think you might be on the chopping block every thing seems like alot more than they realy are. I did read the article and it seem pretty one sided to me I'm sure its all Snyder. Correct me if I'm wrong but the whole Cole's thing started with his unhappyness with the O then it spilled over to him and Snyder. Bailey was a cap problem so we had to trade him and Brian Mitchell I can't remember. How can we judge a situation with only one side of an arguement. I just think his timing is a little suspect and just maybe its Lavar trying to get back at the team thinking he may get cut after the season is over but that would be just a guess just as accusing the owners and coaching staff.
I do agree with it being an awful time for this to be brought up. but I guess the timing of the interview was bad. it was bound to come out one way or the other. But when your coaches are berating you infront of your team mates after a big win, and a statistically good game you and I would have probably gotten a little pissed too. according to the article some players were even saying enough is enough, but remained nameless so they wouldn't get caught up int he crap too. Coles was pissed because he only had 90 catches, and 1 TD. He said something to Gibbs and Snyder about the offense and Danny blew up saying he will sit home on his ass and watch the game on the plasma he was having delivered. With Mitchell, he took one of the all time Redskin greats and threw him out like a bag a trash. Treated him with no class. Bailey, never wanted to be here, regardless of contract offer. He was tired of the coaching staffs getting fired every year. who could blame him. He said when he was traded, he was a classy guy and deserved to be with a classy organization, basically calling danny out as being classless. I just think that Danny is alienating alot of fans by doing things to pretty popular players.
LaVar is the next one.
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