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SouperMeister 12-22-2005, 04:27 PM Well lets just compare these two fine players and see just where the idiocy lies. These stats are from Sean Taylors first 2 years in the league compared to Roy Williams first two years in the league:
Taylor: Tackles 106, Assists 23, Sacks 2, INT's 6, TD's 0 Pass Def 16
Williams: Tackles 143, Assists 28, Sacks 4, INT's 7, TD's 2, Pass Def 9
Now lets look at Williams in the last two years in the league, which was Taylors first two years, so use the same stats to compare:
Williams Tackles 139, Assists 33, Sacks 2.5, INT's 4, TD's 1, Pass Def 15
Now keep in mind that these guys play two different positions, except one year Williams did play FS. Williams is predominatly a SS and Taylor a FS. With that in mind it make sense that Taylor have a few more pass defense's than Williams. Williams has been to the Pro Bowl as a FS and a SS, and Taylor has not even gone as a FS.
So if I am an idiot for thinking Roy Williams is a better safety than Sean Taylor, ok!
Do I think Roy Williams is the BEST safety in the league...no way, I think Ed Reed is in that top spot. But I certainly believe, and have the numbers and pro bowl selections (whereas you just have an opinion) to back it, that he is better than Sean Taylor.
Please don't get me wrong here. I do NOT think Taylor is a slouch at safety, quite to the contrary, he is an OUTSTANDING safety. I just happen to think Williams is better.
If you want to go by raw numbers (tackles, INTs, etc.) then take a look at Adrian Wilson's this year - over 100 tackles and 6 INTs! Roy should have more tackles than Taylor, any decent SS should have more than a FS. The fact remains that Roy cannot cover anyone downfield when asked to do so. Why don't you take a look at Shockey's numbers in two games against the Cowboys this year. Many of those yards were against Roy Williams' piss poor coverage. I've already mentioned his travails in deep zone against Santana Moss, so I won't beat that dead horse any further.
SouperMeister 12-22-2005, 04:28 PM If you want to go by raw numbers (tackles, INTs, etc.) then take a look at Adrian Wilson's this year - over 100 tackles and 6 INTs! Roy should have more tackles than Taylor, any decent SS should have more than a FS. The fact remains that Roy cannot cover anyone downfield when asked to do so. Why don't you take a look at Shockey's numbers in two games against the Cowboys this year. Many of those yards were against Roy Williams' piss poor coverage. I've already mentioned his travails in deep zone against Santana Moss, so I won't beat that dead horse any further.
Make that 6 SACKS for A. Wilson.
Southpaw 12-22-2005, 04:30 PM Now keep in mind that these guys play two different positions, except one year Williams did play FS. Williams is predominatly a SS and Taylor a FS. With that in mind it make sense that Taylor have a few more pass defense's than Williams. Williams has been to the Pro Bowl as a FS and a SS, and Taylor has not even gone as a FS.
By your logic, it also makes sense that Williams gets more tackles(horse collars, in Roy's case) than Taylor, since strong safeties generally play the run first, and the pass second, while free safeties play the pass first, and the run second. Williams does play the run very well, but he also bites on play action more than anyone in the league. He also appears to have learned pass coverage from a block of swiss cheese.
sportscurmudgeon 12-22-2005, 04:31 PM The Pro Bowl is a game that plays to a very empty house. The ratings on TV are only slightly better than for a Ron Popeil infomercial on his new invention - the water soluble life raft.
Essentially, no one gives a rat's ass about this game.
Yet, every year, people get excited about who will go to play in this game that no one cares about and who was wrongfully excluded from playing in this game that no one cares about. I just don't get that.
Sean Taylor had a much better year than Roy Williams did this year. And remember, I'm the guy who thinks Sean Taylor is an unredeemed M E A T H E A D.
Mark Brunell has had a better year than Michael Vick.
Markus Washington deserves some kind of recognition for his play this year - - although I can't find a lot of fault with the OLBs picked for the NFC squad.
Ade Jimoh Fan Club 12-22-2005, 04:34 PM I have a friend who knows someone important on the Pro Bowl Selection Committee, and this is the REAL reason Sean Taylor didn't get selected:
They wanted to pick him over Roy "Horse Collar" Williams, but the Pro Bowl game conflicted with his court date.
Don't mean to player-hate (literally) on ST, but I do think that off season rediculousness is justification for not making the roster, despite how well he played all season. If he can put together a full season w/o involving the police and show he can be a solid "cetizen" and role model - then he'll be ready to represent the NFL in the Pro Bowl.
sportscurmudgeon 12-22-2005, 04:37 PM Ooops, forgot to add one thing to the last post about Skins' players who might have been worthy of Pro Bowl apperances.
Frankly, I don't think Chris Samuels belongs on the Pro Bowl team. Here's the simple reason. I don't think he's the best OT on the Redskins; Jon Jansen is. So I think either Samuels got a "free pass" here or Jansen "got screwed".
You make the call...
FRPLG 12-22-2005, 04:38 PM I have a friend who knows someone important on the Pro Bowl Selection Committee, and this is the REAL reason Sean Taylor didn't get selected:
They wanted to pick him over Roy "Horse Collar" Williams, but the Pro Bowl game conflicted with his court date.
Don't mean to player-hate (literally) on ST, but I do think that off season rediculousness is justification for not making the roster, despite how well he played all season. If he can put together a full season w/o involving the police and show he can be a solid "cetizen" and role model - then he'll be ready to represent the NFL in the Pro Bowl.
Wrong charlie!!!
One Koren Robinson is on the team in the same season he came back from a drug suspension and rehab. That thought contrdicts the thought that he wasn't character enough. He got left off because he doesn't play the media game so he doesn't get the media props he deserves.
Southpaw 12-22-2005, 04:44 PM If he can put together a full season w/o involving the police and show he can be a solid "cetizen" and role model - then he'll be ready to represent the NFL in the Pro Bowl.
Ahhh... so that explains why other players who have had legal troubles(Ray Lewis, Jamal Lewis, Randy Moss, Michael Irvin, etc.) never made a Pro Bowl after their legal problems. Crap, wait a minute... :laughing2
12thMan 12-22-2005, 04:45 PM Wrong charlie!!!
One Koren Robinson is on the team in the same season he came back from a drug suspension and rehab. That thought contrdicts the thought that he wasn't character enough. He got left off because he doesn't play the media game so he doesn't get the media props he deserves.
interesting.
Ade Jimoh Fan Club 12-22-2005, 04:52 PM Wrong charlie!!!
One Koren Robinson is on the team in the same season he came back from a drug suspension and rehab. That thought contrdicts the thought that he wasn't character enough. He got left off because he doesn't play the media game so he doesn't get the media props he deserves.
Don't read too much into it, dude - I simply don't want any gangstas representing MY Redskins in the Pro Bowl, despite their talent. I want guys like Daryl Green, Art Monk, Clinton Portis (aka class acts) representing us. Guys like Santana Moss, who have turned it around on and off the field - I'm all for that! To me, it doesn't matter how many guys we send; it's quality not quantity.
I understand that the Pro Bowl Selection Committe doesn't give a purple poop about character or offseason gunfights. I guess that even though I'm a HUGE fan of ST (on the field), I'm still very, very disappointed in how he handled himself off the field. It's not forgotten. ST got some room for improvement yet!
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