Sean Taylor going to the Pro Bowl!

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amorentz
12-22-2005, 11:13 AM
Yes, the fans, coaches, and media all agree that he could use an additional game and coaching each year to try to improve his coverage skills.

Haha! Burn! :laughing2

Southpaw
12-22-2005, 11:33 AM
gives the team the best chance to win......absolutely not.

I posted this in another thread, but it's valid here too.

Atlanta with Vick as the starter: 33-21-1 (61.1 win%)
Atlanta without Vick as the starter: 9-18 (33.3 win%)

firstdown
12-22-2005, 11:45 AM
I think ST was left out because coaches and players where scared he might not know how to hit at half speed. I could see it now while everyone is having fun Taylor is like a little kid all pumped up and knocking the crap out of guys.

SouperMeister
12-22-2005, 04:35 PM
OOps my mistake, it is Roy Williams representing the NFC in Honolulu, again, for the 3rd time in 4 years as a pro.
Sandtrap,

You are an idiot if you think Roy Williams is a better safety than Sean Taylor. For that matter, I'd take Adrian Wilson or Brian Dawkins before Williams. At least they (and Taylor) can cover somebody downfield. Williams singlehandedly lost the first Skins game when he let Santana run right by him. Mark these words - if Sean Taylor beats his handgun rap, he will be the standard by which all safeties are measured in two or three years. Terry Glenn certainly wanted no part of Taylor last Sunday.

As for the Pro Bowl - it's nothing more than a popularity contest where many get in on past reputation.

jchap2994
12-22-2005, 04:41 PM
The only reason why Roy Williams went is because he makes sport center every week by some QB throwing another touchdown on him!!!!

SouperMeister
12-22-2005, 05:04 PM
Sandtrap,

You are an idiot if you think Roy Williams is a better safety than Sean Taylor. For that matter, I'd take Adrian Wilson or Brian Dawkins before Williams. At least they (and Taylor) can cover somebody downfield. Williams singlehandedly lost the first Skins game when he let Santana run right by him. Mark these words - if Sean Taylor beats his handgun rap, he will be the standard by which all safeties are measured in two or three years. Terry Glenn certainly wanted no part of Taylor last Sunday.

As for the Pro Bowl - it's nothing more than a popularity contest where many get in on past reputation.
I just saw this on ProFootballWeekly.com, which adds support to my prior post:

Safeties
Who they picked: AFC – John Lynch, Troy Polamalu and Bob Sanders; NFC – Mike Brown, Darren Sharper and Roy Williams.

Who they forgot: Sean Taylor – Boy, I must seem like a Redskins fan. But the kid has been far more of an impact player than Williams, who’s guilty of being subpar in coverage and known better for his horse-collar (or, shirt-collar) tackles. Taylor is so
key to Gregg Williams’ man-free defenses, able to cover the slot receivers, blanket tight ends or sit back in coverage as a center fielder.

Expanded roster pick: Adrian Wilson – Like Karlos Dasnby, Wilson, the Cardinals’ second-best defender (with DT Darnell Dockett a close third), rarely gets his due as a big, rangy hitter and decent ballhawk.

TheMalcolmConnection
12-22-2005, 05:05 PM
Great post.

sandtrapjack
12-22-2005, 05:15 PM
Sandtrap,

You are an idiot if you think Roy Williams is a better safety than Sean Taylor. For that matter, I'd take Adrian Wilson or Brian Dawkins before Williams. At least they (and Taylor) can cover somebody downfield. Williams singlehandedly lost the first Skins game when he let Santana run right by him. Mark these words - if Sean Taylor beats his handgun rap, he will be the standard by which all safeties are measured in two or three years. Terry Glenn certainly wanted no part of Taylor last Sunday.

As for the Pro Bowl - it's nothing more than a popularity contest where many get in on past reputation.

Well lets just compare these two fine players and see just where the idiocy lies. These stats are from Sean Taylors first 2 years in the league compared to Roy Williams first two years in the league:

Taylor: Tackles 106, Assists 23, Sacks 2, INT's 6, TD's 0 Pass Def 16
Williams: Tackles 143, Assists 28, Sacks 4, INT's 7, TD's 2, Pass Def 9

Now lets look at Williams in the last two years in the league, which was Taylors first two years, so use the same stats to compare:

Williams Tackles 139, Assists 33, Sacks 2.5, INT's 4, TD's 1, Pass Def 15

Now keep in mind that these guys play two different positions, except one year Williams did play FS. Williams is predominatly a SS and Taylor a FS. With that in mind it make sense that Taylor have a few more pass defense's than Williams. Williams has been to the Pro Bowl as a FS and a SS, and Taylor has not even gone as a FS.

So if I am an idiot for thinking Roy Williams is a better safety than Sean Taylor, ok!

Do I think Roy Williams is the BEST safety in the league...no way, I think Ed Reed is in that top spot. But I certainly believe, and have the numbers and pro bowl selections (whereas you just have an opinion) to back it, that he is better than Sean Taylor.

Please don't get me wrong here. I do NOT think Taylor is a slouch at safety, quite to the contrary, he is an OUTSTANDING safety. I just happen to think Williams is better.

sandtrapjack
12-22-2005, 05:20 PM
I just saw this on ProFootballWeekly.com, which adds support to my prior post:

Safeties
Who they picked: AFC – John Lynch, Troy Polamalu and Bob Sanders; NFC – Mike Brown, Darren Sharper and Roy Williams.

Who they forgot: Sean Taylor – Boy, I must seem like a Redskins fan. But the kid has been far more of an impact player than Williams, who’s guilty of being subpar in coverage and known better for his horse-collar (or, shirt-collar) tackles. Taylor is so
key to Gregg Williams’ man-free defenses, able to cover the slot receivers, blanket tight ends or sit back in coverage as a center fielder.

Expanded roster pick: Adrian Wilson – Like Karlos Dasnby, Wilson, the Cardinals’ second-best defender (with DT Darnell Dockett a close third), rarely gets his due as a big, rangy hitter and decent ballhawk.

Okay guy, just who do you think has VOTES for players going to the Pro Bowl? The same friggin guys who wrote that article for ProFootballWeekly. The guy who wrote that article may have thought Sean Taylor should have gone, but OBVIOUSLY a majority of the other voters did not!

CRT3
12-22-2005, 05:25 PM
The real question Mr. Sandtrap is were there any Free Safites that got in. There is a flaw in the system when you have just strong safties make it. Hey just remember those 2 TD's in September against your All Pro. Boy guess they did not consider that game.

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