Roy Williams = dirty tackler

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Defensewins
12-20-2005, 04:25 PM
i'm only talking about grabbing people by the neck area and pulling them down. i don't care if they get tackled from behind anywhere else.

I am just kidding.
The thing I notice about the recent history of these rules is thay all happend in the playoffs or a game that has serious playof implications.

1) 2 or 3 years ago the Patriots crushed the Press' Golden Boy Peyton Manning by jamming the receivers at the line and disrupting their timing. So the next year, no touching receivers after five yards.

2) Late in the regular season last year, Williams opens a can of whip ass on the mentally handicapped TO and no more horse collar tackles. To TO's credit he made it back for the SB.

mooby
12-20-2005, 04:32 PM
Say you saw clinton portis running downfield, and all of sudden Roy Williams comes running up behind him, jumps a bit, grabs Portis by the back of his neck, yanks him backward, breaks his neck, and ends his pro career. Would you guys say, ah it's just a part of the game, we'll move on?

Defensewins
12-20-2005, 04:48 PM
Dangersous things happen on the football field every game, should we cancel the sport?
For example a WR jumps high for a ball with his back to the Defensive back. The DB proceeds to take the legs out form under the WR while he is still in the air. The WR does a 180 in the air and lands on his head. I have seen this happen many times, but it is not out-lawed. Darryl Stingley of the NE Patriots is paralyzed from this situation happening when Oakland raiders Safety Jack Tatum did this exact thing to him back on Aug. 12, 1978. This kind of hit is not outlawed.
Football is a dangerous sport. The only problem I have is the rules are made to protect the offensive player twice as much as for the defensive player. Plus add in all the rules made to create more offense. The game is turning into the canadian football league, tons of scoring and no defense.

sandtrapjack
12-20-2005, 05:58 PM
You got to be kidding me! Williams grabbed him by the shirt, not the pads and Portis fell forward on his left shoulder, he in no way was bent backwards, which is what the rule is in place to avoid. This isn't flag football, it's the N-F-L!

Tackling is why girls don't play the game.

Marcus Washington has a BLANTANT hit out-of-bounds on Witten after the whistle in the first quarter Witten was injured on that "dirty play", and you accuse Williams of being dirty?. Get real.

Look congrats on a solid win, and there are no excuses for that Cowboys loss except we got our butts handed to us.

But you won the game, Portis is fine, and you have a valid shot at the playoffs.

If you can;t be satisfied with that, then sit down and have a nice warm cup of "shut the fu*k up"!

saskin
12-20-2005, 06:05 PM
Witten hadn't gone out of bounds and he was still trying to go forward....Washington made sure he wasn't gonna go foward. It was a bad call....

BigSKINBauer
12-20-2005, 06:33 PM
You got to be kidding me! Williams grabbed him by the shirt, not the pads and Portis fell forward on his left shoulder, he in no way was bent backwards, which is what the rule is in place to avoid. This isn't flag football, it's the N-F-L!

Tackling is why girls don't play the game.

Marcus Washington has a BLANTANT hit out-of-bounds on Witten after the whistle in the first quarter Witten was injured on that "dirty play", and you accuse Williams of being dirty?. Get real.

Look congrats on a solid win, and there are no excuses for that Cowboys loss except we got our butts handed to us.

But you won the game, Portis is fine, and you have a valid shot at the playoffs.

If you can;t be satisfied with that, then sit down and have a nice warm cup of "shut the fu*k up"!
I don't give a flying fruit what the rules are. I think we established that, the rules need to be changed. I don't care if they take the rule out all together because as you said this ain't flag football but if it is a rule I don't see how it is safer to pull a player the way roy has been doing all year and the way he did it last year. It is for the safty of the players, just because your "pro bowl" overrated safty can't tackle for shit doesn't mean he has to try to hurt other players. How many players did he put on the injured list last year with that weak ass pussy tackle?? 3 or 4!? it isn't a fun hit to watch, it isn't hard, it is made to injure the player and just because no one ever taught him to tackle right way doesn't give him the right to mess up player's careers. If it is gonna be a rule they should actually call it and if the player pulls the guy down by the horse collar it should be called.

Roy said himself that he doesn't care about the rule he will tackle the way he always has.
I say just take it out all together if it isn't gonna be called.

Next Marcus obviously didn't mean to do that. I looked at it and the ref said that witten was done making forward progress. That is simply untrue. The player was clearly inbounds and marcus isn't the type that would hit a player out of bounds like that, therefore it wasn't blantant. Roy williams tries to hurt people and not the normal kind of hurt, he tries to end their seasons

5RINGS
12-20-2005, 06:37 PM
BSB,

I don't think you will find an NFL scout who will tell you that Roy doesn't know how to hit.

He didn't get drafted cause he is a cover 2 specialist.

He is a big time hitter at SS and you know what that does to the opposition cause you got one too.

BigSKINBauer
12-20-2005, 06:44 PM
BSB,

I don't think you will find an NFL scout who will tell you that Roy doesn't know how to hit.

He didn't get drafted cause he is a cover 2 specialist.

He is a big time hitter at SS and you know what that does to the opposition cause you got one too.If that is the only way he knows how to tackle from behind he doesn't know how to tackle. Yes he can lay some of the biggest hits when someone is comming down the middle and he hits the guy's front side but from behind you would think he wouldn't always have to pull a guy down like that if it is now a rule. It is now a rule, it is a dirty hit and he could have easily pushed portis out of bounds but he tried to hurt him(now i was at the game and it looked like he could push him out but i might be wrong). trying to hurt someone is dirty.

5RINGS
12-20-2005, 06:58 PM
BSB, Sandtrap,

I would hate to think that he tries to injure players.

BUt I have seen him make that type of tackle many times. He isn't the tallest guy, maybe he accelerates low and and has gotten used to reaching up cause you really can't grab jersey from behind, they are all so tight these days.

Why doesn't he try and go for the legs? Pro Football players at WR and RB get out of that type of tackle half of the time.

If you are reading numbers - behind the ball carrier - you need to be sure cause you only have one chance.

offiss
12-20-2005, 07:02 PM
BSB,

I don't think you will find an NFL scout who will tell you that Roy doesn't know how to hit.

He didn't get drafted cause he is a cover 2 specialist.

He is a big time hitter at SS and you know what that does to the opposition cause you got one too.


Personally I don't mind how hard a player hits that's football, but it seems Williams would rather tackle a player with the horse collar than hit him, I wonder why? It defiently is a move that is a proven season ender. That tackle is right there with the chop block while a player is engaged with another player, if you want to slow a player down by grabbing the collar no problem, but Williams uses his body weight to jerk the player backwards that makes for some unwatchable gut cringing injuries, it's something that is really not needed in football, you may sing a different toon if your star player's seasoned ended because of that type of tackle.

By the way who is your star player? :joke:

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