New Reason behind LaVar Arrington not playing early season!!

You're right there is no comparing them.

LaVar has been to Pro Bowls and proven himself to be a playmaker in this league.

Ramsey hasn't proven anything, and that's my point. Yet you somehow think he's a better QB than Brunell based on what very little you've seen from him.

Your conclusion that Ramsey is a better QB is based on hypotheticals and what ifs. At least our opinions of LaVar are based on solid numbers, Pro Bowls, etc.

I'm officially done hijacking this thread, sorry guys.

If you think back to the offseason the was a big dispute between LaVar and Dan Snyder over like 8 million that LaVar was supposedly owed. This dispute went to arbritation and LaVar ended up being awarded the money. .....Discuss.

Some Corrections are due:

1. The amount in dispute was $6million, not $8million. However, you did say "like $8m so let's skip past the measly $2m).

2. He didn't get the money awarded by arbitration or otherwise.


They settled this.

He has the chance to be a free agent earlier than originally called for in the original contract.

He has some incentives that are possible, a few years in the future.

They couldn't retroactively give him the $6m because of the salary cap limitations. So, since you are wrong about the two most important facts, I wouldn't put too much stock in your hearsay based conclusion.

Let's remember, this came up because LaVar's attorney forgot the basic rule of "Read The Contract".


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[QUOTE=offiss]No I don't know that, the fact is your not basing your conclusion on Lavar being the best LB on our team by production, it's being based on his name, your to caught up in the Lavar hype, and not the Lavar substance, Lavar is not a better LB than Washington, he may be a better athlete, but that's where it ends, and I would personally rather see Clemons in there more.[QUOTE]



i am not basing my conclusion on lavars name, i'm basing it on his production. go ahead compare lavar's numbers to all the other current redskins lbs minus last year. when was lavar drafted, 2000 ? compare his stats from 2000,01,02,03 and 05 to the stats of any lb that has played for the skins during that time period. lets see who has been the skins most productive lb the last 5 years.

That is absurd. 1st off Arrington dropped the arbitration so nobody won. 2nd he settled his dispute. 3rd, you have no reliable source because of the 1st 2 facts. If you are 24/7 then you would know this.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05239/561194.stm

I think the REAL reason Lavar wasn't playing earlier this year is because he's never done anything FOR Greg Williams. If you think about it, LA was only healthy for a few games the first year Greg Williams was his D coach. LA goes out, Gregg plugs in Lemar, Nic... The point is the guys who filled in for LA produced FOR Williams and Williams found a comfort level with them. Why do you think Prioleau is here? Why do you think Antonio Brown is here? Why do you think Bledsoe is in Dallas w/ the Tuna along w/ Richie Anderson, Terry Glenn and Ferguson ? They were there all year long when new facets of his defense were drawn up and applied, Lavar wasn't. I think it was a combination of Lavar's health, Lavar's lack of knowledge of the entire playbook~ including sets he's never played in before simply because he wasn't healthy enough to gain experience in playing in them.Most of all, I think It was a trust issue.
Let's say you take over a job as a supervisor. There is an employee that everyone assures you is "great" and is a "blue-chip". However until this employee produces for you and you foster your own personal trust in them, you will not be able to fully trust them. When Gregg Williams came here, Lavar was just a name sprinkled in w/ highlights. Gregg didn't trust him nor any other player on the roster. It just so happens that other players got the opportunity to prove themselves to him through circumstance. Lavar?~ Busted knee, no such luck.
It's neither Lavar's fault, or Gregg's, Gibbs, or Snyders as to why he was on the bench. It's noone's fault at all. It's human nature, and it's good coaching. Think of it, would you go into battle with someone you've been TOLD will watch your back? Or would you go into battle w/ someone that HAS?


Interesting observation 40Walton, and WELCOME!!!

[QUOTE=offiss]No I don't know that, the fact is your not basing your conclusion on Lavar being the best LB on our team by production, it's being based on his name, your to caught up in the Lavar hype, and not the Lavar substance, Lavar is not a better LB than Washington, he may be a better athlete, but that's where it ends, and I would personally rather see Clemons in there more.[QUOTE]



i am not basing my conclusion on lavars name, i'm basing it on his production. go ahead compare lavar's numbers to all the other current redskins lbs minus last year. when was lavar drafted, 2000 ? compare his stats from 2000,01,02,03 and 05 to the stats of any lb that has played for the skins during that time period. lets see who has been the skins most productive lb the last 5 years.

You can't really use those numbers because he had his best year for us as a defensive end, not a LB. And correct me if I am wrong but our defenses weren't that good over that time span.

Our defense was the best we had last season without Lavar, what kind of difference is the guy really making?

I think the REAL reason Lavar wasn't playing earlier this year is because he's never done anything FOR Greg Williams. If you think about it, LA was only healthy for a few games the first year Greg Williams was his D coach. LA goes out, Gregg plugs in Lemar, Nic... The point is the guys who filled in for LA produced FOR Williams and Williams found a comfort level with them. Why do you think Prioleau is here? Why do you think Antonio Brown is here? Why do you think Bledsoe is in Dallas w/ the Tuna along w/ Richie Anderson, Terry Glenn and Ferguson ? They were there all year long when new facets of his defense were drawn up and applied, Lavar wasn't. I think it was a combination of Lavar's health, Lavar's lack of knowledge of the entire playbook~ including sets he's never played in before simply because he wasn't healthy enough to gain experience in playing in them.Most of all, I think It was a trust issue.
Let's say you take over a job as a supervisor. There is an employee that everyone assures you is "great" and is a "blue-chip". However until this employee produces for you and you foster your own personal trust in them, you will not be able to fully trust them. When Gregg Williams came here, Lavar was just a name sprinkled in w/ highlights. Gregg didn't trust him nor any other player on the roster. It just so happens that other players got the opportunity to prove themselves to him through circumstance. Lavar?~ Busted knee, no such luck.
It's neither Lavar's fault, or Gregg's, Gibbs, or Snyders as to why he was on the bench. It's noone's fault at all. It's human nature, and it's good coaching. Think of it, would you go into battle with someone you've been TOLD will watch your back? Or would you go into battle w/ someone that HAS?


There are plenty of players who have proven themselves to Williams, they did by effort, and production, Rogers [a rookie]I do believe is now starting, marshall is playing a totally new position at MLB, the entire defense last year knew nothing of Williams but were able to establish themselves from day 1, Williams didn't trust taylor at the start of last season, but Taylor made a believer out of him, I don't by the idea that Williams is sitting Lavar because he's comfortable with the likes of Holdman, who wasen't here last year, or Clemons who was a practice squad player for most of last season, it's not like he couldn't have tried to convert Lavar to a MLB, he didn't even consider it.

Lavar's knee did factor into his situation now, but it's a small part of the big picture.

I to enjoy that 1 big hit Lavar seems to make every once in a while, but it doesn't make up for the mental lapses he seems to have all to often, which is the real reason he's on the bench, athletic ability alone does not make a football player.

[QUOTE=offiss
You can't really use those numbers because he had his best year for us as a defensive end, not a LB. And correct me if I am wrong but our defenses weren't that good over that time span.

Our defense was the best we had last season without Lavar, what kind of difference is the guy really making?[/QUOTE]


and how many players from last years defense were starters on the skins d the year before last ?

you say lavar is horrible "stinks", i say he's been the best on the skins defense since he was drafted. lbs line up at de and rush the qb all the time, lavar did do that alot when marvin lewis was here but that was just the way lewis used him, was lavar successfull at it ? lavar has been successfull at playing defense , regardless of how any particular coach decided to use him. comparing his stats over the last 5 years , minus last year of course, to any other lbs (played for or is currently playing for the skins) stats over that same time span you will see that lavar has been , easily , the best and most dominant lb.
don't get me wrong, i love marcus washington and i think he is a very good lb, he probably uderstands greg williams defense better than lavar and is a great fit for the skins but i just feel lavar is the better of the two. marcus washington is consistantly good, lavar is sometimes out of position but more often he is spectacular. this season, i'll admit, lavar is not as spectacular as he's been in the past but i've seen flashes of it and i believe he will return to dominance with the more playing time he gets in williams system.

I think the REAL reason Lavar wasn't playing earlier this year is because he's never done anything FOR Greg Williams. If you think about it, LA was only healthy for a few games the first year Greg Williams was his D coach. LA goes out, Gregg plugs in Lemar, Nic... The point is the guys who filled in for LA produced FOR Williams and Williams found a comfort level with them. Why do you think Prioleau is here? Why do you think Antonio Brown is here? Why do you think Bledsoe is in Dallas w/ the Tuna along w/ Richie Anderson, Terry Glenn and Ferguson ? They were there all year long when new facets of his defense were drawn up and applied, Lavar wasn't. I think it was a combination of Lavar's health, Lavar's lack of knowledge of the entire playbook~ including sets he's never played in before simply because he wasn't healthy enough to gain experience in playing in them.Most of all, I think It was a trust issue.
Let's say you take over a job as a supervisor. There is an employee that everyone assures you is "great" and is a "blue-chip". However until this employee produces for you and you foster your own personal trust in them, you will not be able to fully trust them. When Gregg Williams came here, Lavar was just a name sprinkled in w/ highlights. Gregg didn't trust him nor any other player on the roster. It just so happens that other players got the opportunity to prove themselves to him through circumstance. Lavar?~ Busted knee, no such luck.
It's neither Lavar's fault, or Gregg's, Gibbs, or Snyders as to why he was on the bench. It's noone's fault at all. It's human nature, and it's good coaching. Think of it, would you go into battle with someone you've been TOLD will watch your back? Or would you go into battle w/ someone that HAS?

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