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Ghost 04-23-2004, 06:07 PM Anyone remember how Simeon Rice said Tillman wasn't that good at football (though he had over 200 tackles - a franchise record - one year and 153 (3rd most in the league) in 2000), that he probably joined up because he watched too many Rambo movies? I sent my share of hate mail to Rice and I hope you all do the same.
Simeon Rice probably feels bad enough right about now ... there's enough hate in the world without us all sending the man nasty emails. Lord knows I've said some stupid things without thinking and put my foot in my mouth countless times. We should cut him some slack.
saden1 04-23-2004, 06:23 PM "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings, which thinks that nothing is worth war, is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing, which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than him." -- John Stewart Mill (1806-1873)
RIP
Is that supposed to justify his death or make us feel guilty about not enlisting? I find your quote highly inappropriate and devoid of any value.
RedskinRat 04-23-2004, 06:23 PM Rice has a right to be an idiot, he voiced his opinion. I hope he understands that Pat Tillman paid the ultimate price for him to do so.
Ghost 04-23-2004, 06:29 PM Rice has a right to be an idiot, he voiced his opinion. I hope he understands that Pat Tillman paid the ultimate price for him to do so.
Maybe he understands, maybe he doesn't. I don't see what gets accomplished by sending him hate mail, except creating more anger and hatred. This is the type of crap that plants the seed of violence and war in the first place.
joecrisp 04-23-2004, 06:38 PM Let's not make a debate out of this tragedy. This thread should be devoted to thoughts about Pat Tillman, his family, and those that have made similar sacrifices.
We can debate the political and philosophical issues surrounding the war in another thread.
As far as Simeon Rice goes, I don't think his petty and thoughtless comments are worthy of attention or debate.
Thanks
offiss 04-23-2004, 06:55 PM "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings, which thinks that nothing is worth war, is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing, which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than him." -- John Stewart Mill (1806-1873)
RIP
TREMENDOUS Brudlee! Great quote.
itvnetop 04-23-2004, 06:57 PM Regardless of political beliefs, the mourning is the focus of this day... thoughts with the tillman family.
Ghost 04-23-2004, 07:02 PM Yes it's a great quote. Gandhi and MLK certainly were miserable creatures, weren't they? History shows us that you can "fight" for things and win without resorting to violence.
BrudLee 04-23-2004, 07:20 PM I had no intention of angering those who disagree with the quote (or the quoter). Pat Tillman believed in his course enough to lay down his life for it - as did both Gandhi and MLK. Whether or not anyone here agrees with him, his sacrifice was noble.
offiss 04-23-2004, 07:22 PM Yes it's a great quote. Gandhi and MLK certainly were miserable creatures, weren't they? History shows us that you can "fight" for things and win without resorting to violence.
What is it about the word FIGHT, you don't understand?
miserable creature's huh, I guess we might as well throw George Washington, abraham lincoln, franklin roosevelt, and IKE, in there as well.
My heart goes out to the Tillman's who raised such courageous children, with such conviction for thier country!!!!!!!!!
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