We must draft better...

56fanatic, since you have such a profound understanding of the salary cap, please go to the Cap Info section of the Warpath and tell me where you think the Skins are in danger. I want you to point out specific players in specific years and explain what they will do to our cap, and how it will hurt us so badly.

If you can't do that, you don't understand finance and you don't understand the salary cap. All the reading you do of "capologist" articles are great for building a general understanding of caponomics, but you have to be able to apply it to the Redskins' situation. That's your homework. No more talking in generalities. I want to discuss specifics, which contracts specifically are going to cause the Redskins to enter cap hell?

I will go through them in a second, but the cap is a NFL wide thing. the Redskins dont have a different cap. the articles I posted are regarding the NFL cap. just like rules, the NFL, NBA, MLB all have rules. Certain teams dont have there own rules to operate, they operate under the same umbrella.

Schneed10, where am I to go and get the info on the players contracts and yearly impact throughout the contract? The cap info is basic cap info, not any specifics.

Apparently when Marty took over, he rectified that by sending Dieon into retirement, Carrier gone, George gone. Marty cleaned house basically. those contracts never had a chance to make it to the large numbers.

ARRRGGHHHH. Don't you see? It was the housecleaning that was supposed to send us into cap hell. AND IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. Supposedly, when we cut Carrier, Deion, Bruce Smith and George it was going to cause such a large cap hit because their prorated bonuses would be accelerated. In turn, the accelerated bonuses would cause such a big cap hit that we would be forced to make wholesale cuts to get under the cap. HOW MANY PLAYERS WERE CUT B/C OF THE "CAP HELL" CAUSED BY DEION, CARRIER AND SMITH???

Do you even understand the articles you posted??? Could you at least try for some consistency in your arguments? I know that seems to be asking for a lot, but others in this thread seem to manage it.

ARRRGGHHHH. Don't you see? It was the housecleaning that was supposed to send us into cap hell. AND IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. Supposedly, when we cut Carrier, Deion, Bruce Smith and George it was going to cause such a large cap hit because their prorated bonuses would be accelerated. In turn, the accelerated bonuses would cause such a big cap hit that we would be forced to make wholesale cuts to get under the cap. HOW MANY PLAYERS WERE CUT B/C OF THE "CAP HELL" CAUSED BY DEION, CARRIER AND SMITH???

Do you even understand the articles you posted??? Could you at least try for some consistency in your arguments? I know that seems to be asking for a lot, but others in this thread seem to manage it.


In all due respect Marty deserves a big thank you for basically taking care of that situation, he took the hit and stabilized our roster fiscally in 1 year.

In all due respect Marty deserves a big thank you for basically taking care of that situation, he took the hit and stabilized our roster fiscally in 1 year.

I agree. He took a hit and, as Matty pointed out, we weren't particularly active that year. BUT we weren't forced to basically destroy our roster as the Ravens were two years after their SB. As Schneed pointed out, we took the hit BUT we then managed it w/out total roster destruction.

I agree. Marty did nothing but help the REDSKINS! If we had kept him around we would have been to the playoffs by now. :censored:

Still waiting for that cap hell...

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"Cap Hell" may not be what everybody perceives it to be -- everyone uses San Fransisco as the ultimate example. They had to purge their roster, now look at them.

While the Skins haven't fallen to that point, our version of Cap Hell might be less debilitating, but still negates our ability to keep the players once they become free agents -- Smoot and Pierce are the most recent examples. Can you imagine how retaining those players could have helped us out now?

Cap hell is not being limited to making tough choices like the Skins did with Smoot and Pierce. Every team is faced with decisions like that, you can't just sign everyone.

When the media talks of the Skins headed towards cap hell each offseason, they're referring to what teams like the Titans went through last year, where they have to sell off players just to be able to field a full roster and they are severely limited in what they can do personnel wise.

C'mon Beems, are you telling me the Skins are in cap hell right now?

Cap hell is not being limited to making tough choices like the Skins did with Smoot and Pierce. Every team is faced with decisions like that, you can't just sign everyone.

When the media talks of the Skins headed towards cap hell each offseason, they're referring to what teams like the Titans went through last year, where they have to sell off players just to be able to field a full roster and they are severely limited in what they can do personnel wise.

C'mon Beems, are you telling me the Skins are in cap hell right now?

I think we can safely say that cap constraints were a factor in our inability to retain Fred Smoot and Antonio Pierce.

Look, if this everything's coming up roses with regard to personnel decision-making and cap management as some here seem to imply, are you telling me that we wouldn't be in any better of a situation than we're in right now?

I will go through them in a second, but the cap is a NFL wide thing. the Redskins dont have a different cap. the articles I posted are regarding the NFL cap. just like rules, the NFL, NBA, MLB all have rules. Certain teams dont have there own rules to operate, they operate under the same umbrella.

On the Warpath's main page you'll see a link to the left hand side of the screen for Salary Cap Info. Click that and you'll get a set of spreadsheets with tabs at the bottom. Click on the cap summary sheet to see the players' cap figures for each season. These sheets are managed by CrazyCanuck.

I'm not saying there are different rules for the Redskins. I'm saying that the Redskins have not put themselves in the precarious situation that you are making them out to be in. When you examine the numbers, you can tell me where the major problems are that will cause us to dismantle our squad. Because I don't see it.