Should Brunell be replaced? (merged)

I agree with the majority that Brunell should not be replaced now. But, I don't think it is absolutely crazy to broach the topic. As the WP pointed out, Brunell has had 4 TDs to 6 INTs in the last 7 games. Plus, our passing game has really faltered lately.

Fans love a scapegoat. Plus it's easy to single players out rather than look at the big picture. The QB is the easiest player to single out and the most convenient scapegoat.

I agree with you here. But, why is it then that in assessing Ramsey people look at his W-L record as evidence that he stinks? Apparently, according to Brunell fans, when our offense was suffering with Ramsey under center, it was all on Ramsey. And, when Brunell came in and our offense suffers people say, "it's the o-line" or "it's the wideouts."

The same can be said of Ramsey fans. When the offense is suffering when Brunell is in, it's all on Brunell.

I see so many people make excuses for both quarterbacks. Frankly, I'm tired of listening to people make this issue black and white, right and wrong....(i.e. Ramsey is the worst QB ever and Brunell is a God and vice-a-versa).

Do you deny that Ramsey outplayed Brunell last season under the same circumstances? Do you deny he threw for more yards in 1 quarter against the Bears this season than Brunell did in 3? Do YOU know for sure that Ramsey wouldn't be better than Brunell? Do you believe if Ramsey goes to a team like the Dolphins, Bucs, Bears, Boy's, next season he will fail? Because I believe where ever he is next year excluding us, he will succeed, but that is my opinion at this point, and only time will tell if I am right, or wrong on the evaluation.

It wasn't the same circumstances, Offiss. In what ways was it the same circumstance to you? What does the passing yards have to do with anything? You see, this is what I am trying to make you understand. You're going on what ifs and maybes, I am looking at this, strictly, from facts I've seen on the playing field. What if Heath Shuler stayed in another year? What if Joe Theismann had never broken his leg? What ifs don't mean anything to me Offiss. That is why when I focus on this Brunell/Ramsey debate, I look at our current situation as it stands right now, not what it COULD or COULD NOT be. That present situation has us in the playoff hunt and currently with a 7-6 record. Could we have a better record? Maybe or maybe not. Then again, it doesn't matter what we COULD or COULD NOT have, it's what we have right now, and 7-6 gives us a chance. 10-6 would get us in and if it didn't, 10-6 is a huge turn around from 6-10, so that means that Joe Gibbs and company is apparently doing something right.



Take a long look at what happened in both Giant games last season, under brunell we lose, under ramsey we crushed them, I do know circumstances can dictate wins and loses and they don't alway's tell the whole story, but we lose with Brunell, and crush them with Ramsey, that may be the strongest argument for ramsey.

Again, that was a different circumstance Offiss. Number one, that was last year. In this day and age of the NFL, teams can stink one year, and be Super Bowl champions the next (i.e. Rams, Bucs, Ravens, etc....) That Giants team last year didn't have the defense like it has this year. Thirdly, Eli Manning was a rookie last year. This year he came in having a year under his belt, and nobody saw him improving as vastly as he has this season. Lastly, in that first meeting with the Giants, Ramsey came in a threw at least three INTs, so I would say he was also guilty in the loss with the Giants - along with the REST OF THE TEAM. Again, you fail to see the fact that football is a team sport. Although the quarterback is hailed as the "driver" of the offense, he is just one player. It takes all the talent around him to make it work. We won in the past under Gibbs with less talented quarterbacks, because the team around the qb was built up to the best standard. That is why I have said, this team still lacks the ingredients to push it over the edge and become a great team. It's more than the quarterback position. Only amateurs blame wins and losses on the quarterback and coach alone, because it's easy to simply blame them.

Let's quit name-calling.

Only amateurs blame wins and losses on the quarterback and coach alone, because it's easy to simply blame them.

I agree that a team's record reflects more on a team than a QB's play or a coach's coaching, but those two things have a lot to do with how a team fares. And, for the record, I guve Brunell and Gibbs a lot of credit for where we are.

You yourself pointed our that we're 7-6 and Gibbs should be given credit for that. Well, if Gibbs' is given credit for W's shouldn't he get some blame for L's?

Let's quit name-calling.

What name-calling? Go back and reread my post, you're mistaken.

I agree that a team's record reflects more on a team than a QB's play or a coach's coaching, but those two things have a lot to do with how a team fares. And, for the record, I guve Brunell and Gibbs a lot of credit for where we are.

You yourself pointed our that we're 7-6 and Gibbs should be given credit for that. Well, if Gibbs' is given credit for W's shouldn't he get some blame for L's?

Of course, the coach should be blamed when it is his fault. There is also a time when it is the players' fault because of execution. Both are facts. But, that isn't the point I am trying to make Ramseyfan. The point I'm making is, with us being 7-6 and on a two game winning streak, there is no proof that Ramsey should replace Brunell. In situations like this, you're better off with the well experienced veteran in at QB.

Of course, the coach should be blamed when it is his fault. There is also a time when it is the players' fault because of execution. Both are facts. But, that isn't the point I am trying to make Ramseyfan. The point I'm making is, with us being 7-6 and on a two game winning streak, there is no proof that Ramsey should replace Brunell. In situations like this, you're better off with the well experienced veteran in at QB.

Okay. Well, I agree with that. Brunell is our QB and we're definately in the playoff hunt. We shouldn't change horses midstream.

What name-calling? Go back and reread my post, you're mistaken.

I know you didn't call anyone out by name, I was simply referring to the "only amatuers" part of the post. Nothing serious, I should've phased my post better. I was just trying to prevent f-bombs and like from being thrown out.

I know you didn't call anyone out by name, I was simply referring to the "only amatuers" part of the post. Nothing serious, I should've phased my post better. I was just trying to prevent f-bombs and like from being thrown out.

Oh okay, I was wondering. No need to worry about the f-bombs from me.....I never use that type of language. :food-smil