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Beemnseven 12-03-2005, 12:59 AM Many of you know I've been critical of Clinton Portis. But for a moment, let's put that aside and discuss another issue. Read this excerpt from the WP:
"Portis was an integral part of the Redskins' running game last Sunday against San Diego's top-rated rush defense, with Coach Joe Gibbs calling 13 running plays in the final quarter with his team leading by 10 points. But Portis gained only 36 yards on those carries and was held to a yard or less on five carries, getting stopped for no gain on his final two rushes.
The problem was worse on third down. Portis's seven fourth-quarter carries on second or third down picked up a total of 13 yards (1.8 per carry), with Washington unable to capitalize on first-down gains. Portis is averaging just 3.7 yards per carry in the fourth quarter overall this season -- the NFL average is 4.1 -- and over the last three games he has gained only 57 yards on 18 carries in the fourth quarter (3.2 per carry), and has just 10 carries for 27 yards on third downs this season, well off his 2005 average of 4.2 per carry."
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OK, if Portis isn't the problem as many have argued, then what is the problem? Is it the offensive line? If so, who's the weak link? We've always said it's Derrick Dockery, but this is a pattern that's starting to point at more than just one player. Rabach's holding penalties certainly don't help. But why is it that an offensive line made up of names like Samuels, Jansen and Thomas isn't consistently paving the way when the team needs it most? Could a mammoth run blocking tight end like Ron Middleton make a difference?
railcon56 12-03-2005, 01:09 AM Many of you know I've been critical of Clinton Portis. But for a moment, let's put that aside and discuss another issue. Read this excerpt from the WP:
"Portis was an integral part of the Redskins' running game last Sunday against San Diego's top-rated rush defense, with Coach Joe Gibbs calling 13 running plays in the final quarter with his team leading by 10 points. But Portis gained only 36 yards on those carries and was held to a yard or less on five carries, getting stopped for no gain on his final two rushes.
The problem was worse on third down. Portis's seven fourth-quarter carries on second or third down picked up a total of 13 yards (1.8 per carry), with Washington unable to capitalize on first-down gains. Portis is averaging just 3.7 yards per carry in the fourth quarter overall this season -- the NFL average is 4.1 -- and over the last three games he has gained only 57 yards on 18 carries in the fourth quarter (3.2 per carry), and has just 10 carries for 27 yards on third downs this season, well off his 2005 average of 4.2 per carry."
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OK, if Portis isn't the problem as many have argued, then what is the problem? Is it the offensive line? If so, who's the weak link? We've always said it's Derrick Dockery, but this is a pattern that's starting to point at more than just one player. Rabach's holding penalties certainly don't help. But why is it that an offensive line made up of names like Samuels, Jansen and Thomas isn't consistently paving the way when the team needs it most? Could a mammoth run blocking tight end like Ron Middleton make a difference?
The problem is they can afford to stack the line and move the safteys up..we wont throw the ball downfield...and we are lucky to even throw it short in the 4th qtr..the o-line is fine ..no deep passes is what has been the running games problem all season.. until we make them respect and protect the long pass teams will stack the line
Beemnseven 12-03-2005, 01:17 AM The problem is they can afford to stack the line and move the safteys up..we wont throw the ball downfield...and we are lucky to even throw it short in the 4th qtr..the o-line is fine ..no deep passes is what has been the running games problem all season.. until we make them respect and protect the long pass teams will stack the line
But were they stacking the line on each play in the 4th quarter when trying to run it? I don't have a tape of the game, so I can't go back and look. But even it that were true, isn't there an audible system in Gibbs' offense for Brunell to exploit 8 in the box?
Big C 12-03-2005, 01:29 AM portis doesnt really get a lot of space to run in, so he cannot do his moves and cut backs
BigSKINBauer 12-03-2005, 01:30 AM they know we will run it and that is why a couple weeks ago we had a discussion that if gibbs should have passed the ball in a critical 3rd down, i said gibbs should have.
As far as the line goes i think janson and samuels surprisingly have been the two weakest only after Rabach. The line's players in my mind rank as follows
Thomas- Deserving of a pro bowl
Doc- Much better than we all thought, remember throwing people down in the preseason
Samuels- he hasn't been blantly bad but hasn't been good either
Janson- Maybe we overhyped the loss of him last year because when he came back he was suppossed to be our savior and he can't live up to those standards-two broken thumbs don't help much
Rabach- Still a huge improvement over raymer
Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor 12-03-2005, 01:51 AM just the playcalling. that is what is killing our running game. knowing when to run and when ti pass. we need to develop audibles, like someone mention earlier, at the lin e of scrimmage to keep the defenses honest like the colts do and that is why edge always have those hundred yard gain he does not run when the box is stacked like portis does.
Big C 12-03-2005, 03:31 AM Janson- Maybe we overhyped the loss of him last year because when he came back he was suppossed to be our savior and he can't live up to those standards-two broken thumbs don't help much
we didnt overhype jansen. the broken thumbs are the reason he isnt performing to the level that he can. definitely going to make you less effective if you cant hold or grab or anything with your hands
Duffman003 12-03-2005, 09:59 AM Portis isn't meant to run while there is 8 men in the box ( maybe if it was a toss or something) but i have never seen that one play work... i can't remember the name but it's the play we run all the time and used to run it back in the 80s where the guard and tackle pull because it's not his style
railcon56 12-03-2005, 10:25 AM Portis isn't meant to run while there is 8 men in the box ( maybe if it was a toss or something) but i have never seen that one play work... i can't remember the name but it's the play we run all the time and used to run it back in the 80s where the guard and tackle pull because it's not his style
counter- tre
Beemnseven 12-03-2005, 11:03 AM counter- tre
Actually, it's counter-trey. Or counter-gap. And Gibbs calls many of those plays. I do think there's something to the playcalling. Since this team hasn't established itself as one that can run the ball down everyone's throat when the opposing team knows we're going to run it, the playcallers -- whoever they are -- need to throw defenses off balance by short or intermediate range passing unexpectedly. So far, they haven't been able to do it.
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