Thoughts on Ramsey and Brunell...

i not saying anything negative at all about brunell except for his age.he cant play forever.then who will be our next qback?

Let me think....... Campbell

That's all Brunell's fault??
Of course not. But, if you look at the QBs who win close games (Tom Brady comes to mind), they lead the offense to points late in the game.

Of course not. But, if you look at the QBs who win close games (Tom Brady comes to mind), they lead the offense to points late in the game.

Ok what has Ramsey ever lead us too?

To me a qb can't have a good game in a close loss. His rating doesn't mean squat if he can't make the plays at the end to win the game.

As for Ramsey, I don't know about him. Maybe he was just too scarred from the Spurrier years, but if he was going to make it in DC he probably would have done it by now.

I would keep Ramsey off the field for the rest of the season, he can only hurt his trade value now and if he comes off the bench and throws for 350 with 3tds and no picks against anyone then all it does is cast more doubt on Gibbs' decision to go with Brunell.

Ok what has Ramsey ever lead us too?
I'm not calling for Ramsey. I'm just saying that the jury still is out on Brunell. He had a good stretch starting with the fourth quarter of the Dallas game but has been only OK recently (as in 2-6 as a starter in the past eight games). I know it all does not lie with the QB, but winning QBs are winning QBs because of their teams' records.

I'm not calling for Ramsey. I'm just saying that the jury still is out on Brunell. He had a good stretch starting with the fourth quarter of the Dallas game but has been only OK recently (as in 2-6 as a starter in the past eight games). I know it all does not lie with the QB, but winning QBs are winning QBs because of their teams' records.

We all know Brunell is not a Top QB whats ur point?

We all know Brunell is not a Top QB whats ur point?
Just what I said in my previous post: The jury's still out on him, and we need to consider our options at QB for next season. Brunell is the perfect veteran back-up who Gibbs likes to have around. His record as a starter this year (4-6), regardless of whose fault the close losses are, doesn't cut it, in my opinion. Are you satisfied with a losing team this year?

Hey guys... I started this thread not to rehash the old who would be better in leading the redskins Brunell or Ramsey...

That topic i believe has been discussed ad nauseum and there really is no way to come to a conclusion...since we have only seen brunell play and not ramsey...so noone can truely know how ramsey would have done...that is ultimately an opinion...and everyone is entitled to his own opinion.

The purpose though...was to allude to the dillema that the skins now face. Brunell certainly has performed relatively well this year... But he is getting older!

It is a generally established principle that QB's do not hit their primes in their late 30's... So while i am going to root for Brunell to play like peyton manning as long as he is starting for this team...i think it is realistic to ask ourselves what other options we have.

In my mind, whether or not people think Ramsey is better than Brunell is not really the point. The point is...whether he gives us a much better chance to win than Cambell at this point. If Cambell is not going to be ready to be a starting NFL QB next year than even the people who dont particulary like Ramsey might admit that he could have great value to this team next year.

If he fulfills his potential and has a great end of this season, offseason, or preseason, and becomes a viable starting QB and wins the job for next year great!... It will mean he gives us a better chance to win than brunell and brunell can be a wonderful backup.

If Brunell wins the job and gets injured in the season...then we have at least a proven backup QB...(Ramsey went 3-4 last season as a starter...and so far Brunell has gone 5-6)

If Brunell goes the whole season without getting injured...and remains the starter..than hey...at least we had a good insurance policy for the whole year...and Ramsey becomes a free agent...we lose a 3rd/or 4th rounder we could have gotten for Ramsey in a trade this year...but we bought an extra year for Cambell to develop...and hopefully he is ready to take over for Brunell starting in his 3rd year.

In my book those different scenarios point to us needing to retain Ramsey for next year.

Also... if i may add...i think people really ought to distinguish between who WHO GIVES US THE BEST CHANCE TO WIN. And WHO SHOULD PLAY. The two are usually identical...but they dont neccessarily have to be.

One example that comes to mind is that of the bengals declaring carson Palmer the starter after john Kitna had just had a really good season and brought the team to its first non losing season in a ridiculously long time.

In this instance the bengals did not declare Palmer the starter because he gave them the best chance to win. They declared him the starter because they knew that they had invested a great deal into him...and that before leading the team to winning football he would have to get out his growing pains.

The team held the development of their QB of the future above the desire to win immediately. It is that vision that i believe some people are not taking into account. The skins have been losing for sooooo long that there is enormous pressure to just win now. But what about if playing Ramsey, while not giving us the best immediate chance to win, would have been a case of placing the future of the franchise above the need to win immediately. After all...the only way for a QB to get through his growing pains...is to play on sundays.

This is not to say i am advocating switching to Ramsey now...with 5 games left...while we still have a chance to make the playoffs... However, if we are out of the playoff hunt at some point, then i would be for Gibbs playing Ramsey or Cambell in place of Brunell, thereby sacrificing the best chance to win immediately, in hopes of winning alot more later on... Just some food for thought.

Hey guys... I started this thread not to rehash the old who would be better in leading the redskins Brunell or Ramsey....

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Neither one is the answer. Campbell is the future, Gibbs is grooming Campbell just like he groomed Rypien. He will not rush Campbell into service and ruin him. I think Campbell will be the starter next year and he may start some games at the end of this year.

Ramsey is not the answer. I have never seen what some of the big Ramsey fans on this sight see in him. To me Ramsey is slow on his feet, slow to get rid of the ball, which in turn makes him take alot of sacks and most importantly Ramsey makes too many critical mistakes. He reminds me of Bledsoe, flashes some good, but overall I do not want a Bledsoe type of QB for the Redskins.
I want someone that senses and can escape the pash rush better than Ramsey. Someone that makes fewer mistakes and is quick to get rid of the ball. Holding the ball as long as Ramsey does is just asking for trouble.