What about a TRUE GM

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Schneed10
11-29-2005, 01:55 PM
Why are we talking about the front office structure?

Guys, one of our losses occurred because a side judge decided he'd throw up his arms, signaling that a two-point conversion was good despite the fact that he clearly couldn't see whether Alstott was in or not.

Another loss occurred because the refs don't know how to interpret the tuck rule properly. When Plummer pulled the ball back down, the throwing motion ended when the ball hit his other hand. But the refs called it an incomplete pass instead of awarding a safety.

We should be 7-4 right now. And besides, how close have we come on several other losses?

Ask yourselves this:

1) Is the team improving under Gibbs? I'd say yes. We're much better than last year.
2) What personnel moves are CAUSING us to lose games?

We're improving, and we're better than our record shows. Want a good stat? Here is the record of our opponents this year:

Against the Skins: 6-5
Against Everyone Else: 65-45

It's a tough ass schedule we're playing. We're getting better. Don't mess with progress.

celts32
11-29-2005, 02:30 PM
They are getting better...anyone who can't see they are getting better is not watching the games and looking at only the record.

As for the GM/scouting department...I think you need to judge a team on how well they do in the later rounds of a draft. Anyone can make a top 10 pick and be right more times than not. You can read Mel Kipers book and pretty much predict the top 10 of a draft with 80% certainty. The fact of the matter is that since Danny & Vinny have been on board the Redskins have found very few gems in the later rounds where true talent evaluaters flex their muscles...perhaps that is why those picks are so undervalued by the team now and handed out like candy. If the skins were finding a Tom Brady or Joe Jacoby or Russ Grimm with those picks every couple of years then the team would start to value them more.

TheMalcolmConnection
11-29-2005, 03:01 PM
Damn, I wish I was here during this discussion...

Yeah, basically what you guys said. No one is perfect, but like I said, I would think that at least 75% of the moves made have panned out.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha
11-29-2005, 03:02 PM
People talked a lot about Casserly being a genius. Tell me this then, why do the Texans suck so bad? You would think that after three seasons of Carr getting pummeled that some genius would have realized by now that the O-line need massive infusions of talent.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha
11-29-2005, 03:03 PM
Why are we talking about the front office structure?

Guys, one of our losses occurred because a side judge decided he'd throw up his arms, signaling that a two-point conversion was good despite the fact that he clearly couldn't see whether Alstott was in or not.

Another loss occurred because the refs don't know how to interpret the tuck rule properly. When Plummer pulled the ball back down, the throwing motion ended when the ball hit his other hand. But the refs called it an incomplete pass instead of awarding a safety.

We should be 7-4 right now. And besides, how close have we come on several other losses?

Ask yourselves this:

1) Is the team improving under Gibbs? I'd say yes. We're much better than last year.
2) What personnel moves are CAUSING us to lose games?

We're improving, and we're better than our record shows. Want a good stat? Here is the record of our opponents this year:

Against the Skins: 6-5
Against Everyone Else: 65-45

It's a tough ass schedule we're playing. We're getting better. Don't mess with progress.

Great post and nice research. I always like it when people actually reference facts when making a point.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha
11-29-2005, 03:25 PM
how either of you two who responded to my previous post think Taylor was not a no brainer are crazy. An athlete like taylor comes only so often. Barrow was over the hill MLB who was overpaid. A bargain compared to what we normally pay people, you right. but still overpaid to what he was going to be offered somewher else. We can agree to disagree. unfortunetly the moves have been questionable at best. Some were great picks, but most have not been that well thought out.

Taylor was not an obvious choice. Taylor and Winslow are both fantastic players with tremendous talent. Taylor was billed as the next Ronnie Lott whereas Winslow was said to be the best TE prospect in the history of the draft.

irish
11-29-2005, 04:14 PM
They are getting better...anyone who can't see they are getting better is not watching the games and looking at only the record.

As for the GM/scouting department...I think you need to judge a team on how well they do in the later rounds of a draft. Anyone can make a top 10 pick and be right more times than not. You can read Mel Kipers book and pretty much predict the top 10 of a draft with 80% certainty. The fact of the matter is that since Danny & Vinny have been on board the Redskins have found very few gems in the later rounds where true talent evaluaters flex their muscles...perhaps that is why those picks are so undervalued by the team now and handed out like candy. If the skins were finding a Tom Brady or Joe Jacoby or Russ Grimm with those picks every couple of years then the team would start to value them more.

Sure Mel Kiper can pick the top 10 in the draft almost exactly in order every year but that does not mean those players end up being superstars or for that matter even servicable pros. A team needs good coaching and good talent evaluators to become great. The Texans have a good talent evaluator but the coaching is bad. The skins have good coaching but the talent evaluators can be improved. A GM would improve that process.

heybigstar
11-29-2005, 04:35 PM
The trade for portis was terrible, not only did we lose Champ, who is a far better player than Portis, we gave portis a huge contact for a slightly above average RB.

Redskins_P
11-29-2005, 04:50 PM
The trade for portis was terrible, not only did we lose Champ, who is a far better player than Portis, we gave portis a huge contact for a slightly above average RB.


When will people finally realize that CHAMP DID NOT WANT TO BE HERE!!!!!!! :bdh: :frusty: :banghead:

He asked for the trade.

And I wouldn't call Portis slightly above average. He's still young, for what he's accomplished so far in his career, I wouldn't fall him slightly above average.

steveo395
11-29-2005, 04:52 PM
The trade for portis was terrible, not only did we lose Champ, who is a far better player than Portis, we gave portis a huge contact for a slightly above average RB.
There is more to being a running back than just running...he might be an above average runner but he's a great blocker and a pretty good receiver....and its not like the blocking or the playcalling is that good anyway, so its hard to run well.

Everyone keeps talking about the late round picks that gibbs has made. Some of the players are still on the team and might be good, they just haven't had a chance yet. Most late round picks take a few years to get good, they don't made immediate impacts. If they were going to make an immediate impact, they probably wouldn't be late round picks

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