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TheMalcolmConnection 11-28-2005, 07:10 AM Yes, I know many people are going to be like, "Win 5?! Ha! We can't even win one." This thread is about giving SOME hope to what's possible. I also need some assistance too. :)
OK, ASSUMING we win the rest of our games that leaves us at 10-6, beating the Cowboys and Eagles both twice, and the Giants once. With the Giants and Cowboys playing, that means we will be tied with at least ONE of them. The Cowboys still have Kansas City and Carolina, both of which could equal a loss, assuming they were the ones to win the game against the Giants, thus giving us the tiebreaker against them.
Assuming the GIANTS win that game and we beat them, we need them to lose one game which is also very possible against the Eagles and Chiefs who they play.
I'm leaning closer to rooting for the Cowboys when they play the Giants, because we've already beaten them once.
Also, assuming we win out, we will have only two losses in the division. If anyone can do the rest of this math, who would we have a better shot in a tiebreaker against for the division? Dallas or New York?
mooby 11-28-2005, 07:20 AM "Win 5. Ha! We can't even win one."
lol, highly unrealistic, but in the NFL, anything can happen.
bjschmonsees 11-28-2005, 08:13 AM Assuming we run the table we can win the division.
As much as it makes me sick we have to root for the Cowboys next week.
That would take care of the Giants and Dallas has to play at Carolina, That makes two more losses for both and we would win all tie breakers.
St Louis barely beat the Texans. Arizona is and will always be a joke. We can win these next two and come out on a roll and sweep our last 3 division games. The schedule makers were very kind to us.
I believe.
heybigstar 11-28-2005, 08:14 AM MalcolmConnection, thanks for providing hope to us fans here. As bad as this loss felt, there still is the unlikely chance we run the table and get to the playoffs, not that I'm holding my breath.
TheMalcolmConnection 11-28-2005, 09:28 AM OK, so if we do win out and the winner of the Giants/Dallas game loses one more, we have all tiebreakers?
Beemnseven 11-28-2005, 09:32 AM Not a chance. This team peaked in weeks 1-3. The Cowboys and Giants both took two of the best teams in the league to overtime. Despite both of their losses, they are truly contenders.
Our mid-season slide will be the reason we'll be on the outside looking in yet again this season. Carolina, Atlanta, Tampa Bay, Chicago, and now even Minnesota are either firmly in control or are turning the corner, while we are taking a turn for the worse.
TheMalcolmConnection 11-28-2005, 09:53 AM No, no, that was not my question. My question was, will we have the tiebreakers against both Dallas and NY if it came down to that for the division?
onlydarksets 11-28-2005, 09:53 AM ok, this is a hypothetical, assuming the Skins, Dallas, and Gyants win out (with the exception of the Dallas-Gyants game).
OK, so if we do win out and the winner of the Giants/Dallas game loses one more, we have all tiebreakers?
Here are the tiebreakers (http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakers):
Three or More Clubs
(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated during any step, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of the two-club format).
1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games among the clubs).
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in common games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
EDIT: The following is wrong - skip to my next post.
If Dallas beats the Gyants and Skins win out, then, because Gyants are tied with us, down 0-2 against Dallas and we are up 2-0 against Dallas, I think it goes to tiebreaker #2. Skins are 5-1 and Gyants/Dallas are both 4-2 in the division. We win.
If the Gyants beat Dallas, then the Gyants and Skins are 2-0 against Dallas and Dallas is eliminated and we go head to head against the Gyants. We would both have 1 division loss, so then it goes to record in common games. I have no clue how that would turn out.
TheMalcolmConnection 11-28-2005, 09:59 AM Thanks for the info, but what does all that mean? LOL
onlydarksets 11-28-2005, 10:07 AM Oops - I had that backward - Dallas beat the Gyants in their first matchup.
If Dallas beats the Gyants in their second matchup, the Skins are up on Dallas (2-0), Dallas is up on the Gyants (2-0), and the Gyants are tied with the Skins (1-1). If the Gyants beat Dallas in their second matchup, we are up on Dallas (2-0) and everyone else is tied. So, regardless of who wins the second Gyants/Dallas game, it goes to the second tiebreaker - division record.
Under the second tiebreaker, the Skins will be the only team at 5-1 in the division (since we will have to beat both Dallas and the Gyants once to get there). Therefore, I think we actually do hold our destiny in our own hands if we go to a tiebreaker. If we win out, we win the division.
Edit: The winner of the Dallas/Gyants game must lose another game for us to go to a tiebreaker.
Does this sound right?
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