Talent Evaluation?

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Chargers fans rolled their eyes when Brees was declared the starter after Rivers held out of camp. Fortunately for them, and Marty, the Chargers showed Brees some patience by getting impatient with Rivers. Can you tell me when exactly we've shown any patience with Ramsey. We put him in, we yank him out, we put him in, we yank him out.

Chargers fans rolled their eyes when Brees was declared the starter after Rivers held out of camp. Fortunately for them, and Marty, the Chargers showed Brees some patience by getting impatient with Rivers. Can you tell me when exactly we've shown any patience with Ramsey. We put him in, we yank him out, we put him in, we yank him out.


Couldn't agree more, I know many will disagree but one of the biggest problems I have had with Gibbs is the way he just flat out pushed Ramsey out of the picture without really giving him a fair chance, last season when things became so bad he had no choice but to play Ramsey, Ramsey responded and won the starters job, only to have Gibbs looking for any excuse whatsoever to put in his guy Brunell, pretty lowsey thing to do someone to promise them the starters job all off season and then 1 quarter into first game yank him as if the guy has went 2-5 in his last 7 games. I defiently came away with a different opinion of Gibbs after watching how he handled that situation and it left a bad taste in my mouth, if Ramsey failed, ok he failed, but he deserved the opportunity to go out there and prove it one way or the other.

Yes Brunell has played well when given the time, but considering the state of the team was it really a wise decision to bring in an ageing QB if we are in fact still rebuilding? Wouldn't we be better off right now if Ramsey had been playing over the coarse of the last 2 seasons? If you believe no that's fine, I just believe that Ramsey would have greatly improved his play as he became comfortable in Gibbs system, Just like Brunell.

Couldn't agree more, I know many will disagree but one of the biggest problems I have had with Gibbs is the way he just flat out pushed Ramsey out of the picture without really giving him a fair chance, last season when things became so bad he had no choice but to play Ramsey, Ramsey responded and won the starters job, only to have Gibbs looking for any excuse whatsoever to put in his guy Brunell, pretty lowsey thing to do someone to promise them the starters job all off season and then 1 quarter into first game yank him as if the guy has went 2-5 in his last 7 games. I defiently came away with a different opinion of Gibbs after watching how he handled that situation and it left a bad taste in my mouth, if Ramsey failed, ok he failed, but he deserved the opportunity to go out there and prove it one way or the other.

Yes Brunell has played well when given the time, but considering the state of the team was it really a wise decision to bring in an ageing QB if we are in fact still rebuilding? Wouldn't we be better off right now if Ramsey had been playing over the coarse of the last 2 seasons? If you believe no that's fine, I just believe that Ramsey would have greatly improved his play as he became comfortable in Gibbs system, Just like Brunell.

I would but the blame on three people (in no particular order):

Gibbs-I think it was a mistake for him to declare Ramsey the starter before even mini-camp started. Especially if he knew that Brunell was hurt the past season and that some time to recuperate would help him. He backed himself into an unnecessary corner by declaring Ramsey the starter when I don't think he really believed it. It also brings up the misconception that Gibbs owes something to Ramsey (I'll bring that up later)

Ramsey-In spite of finishing 3-4 as a starter last season, Ramsey did a pretty solid job. However, when he played during the preseason I didn't see someone who was any better than when he left the field against Minnesota to wrap up the 2004 season. I know people say that he wasn't given a fair chance, but I think that he had several months in the offseason to work on basic fundamentals that, in my opinion, he either didn't work on or if he did he didn't improve significantly upon them. Ramsey should have had the mentality "OK, I've been given the starting job and now I'm going to step out on the field and put so much distance between me and the next QB that there's no question I should be the guy"

The Fans-I can understand being frustrated, feeling that Ramsey was perhaps not given a fair chance. But here's the thing, Gibbs owes Ramsey nothing in my opinion. It sounds harsh I know. But when Gibbs was brought here, he was brought here to bring a winner back to DC. I'm pretty sure that Snyder, as much as he may love Ramsey, didn't tell Gibbs to help him bring back a Super Bowl trophy "but make sure Ramsey is a part of it" If Gibbs thinks that the answer is Brunell now and Campbell next year (or the year after) I think that's fine to disagree but I don't think it should be because you think he owes anything to Ramsey. (and offiss, I'm not singling you out here, just happen to be quoting your post)

I would but the blame on three people (in no particular order):

Gibbs-I think it was a mistake for him to declare Ramsey the starter before even mini-camp started. Especially if he knew that Brunell was hurt the past season and that some time to recuperate would help him. He backed himself into an unnecessary corner by declaring Ramsey the starter when I don't think he really believed it. It also brings up the misconception that Gibbs owes something to Ramsey (I'll bring that up later)

Ramsey-In spite of finishing 3-4 as a starter last season, Ramsey did a pretty solid job. However, when he played during the preseason I didn't see someone who was any better than when he left the field against Minnesota to wrap up the 2004 season. I know people say that he wasn't given a fair chance, but I think that he had several months in the offseason to work on basic fundamentals that, in my opinion, he either didn't work on or if he did he didn't improve significantly upon them. Ramsey should have had the mentality "OK, I've been given the starting job and now I'm going to step out on the field and put so much distance between me and the next QB that there's no question I should be the guy"

The Fans-I can understand being frustrated, feeling that Ramsey was perhaps not given a fair chance. But here's the thing, Gibbs owes Ramsey nothing in my opinion. It sounds harsh I know. But when Gibbs was brought here, he was brought here to bring a winner back to DC. I'm pretty sure that Snyder, as much as he may love Ramsey, didn't tell Gibbs to help him bring back a Super Bowl trophy "but make sure Ramsey is a part of it" If Gibbs thinks that the answer is Brunell now and Campbell next year (or the year after) I think that's fine to disagree but I don't think it should be because you think he owes anything to Ramsey. (and offiss, I'm not singling you out here, just happen to be quoting your post)


DEAD ON!!!
I really don't get the personal thing people read into this issue. I have read , heard, seen nothing that would suggest Gibbs is about, or would tolerate that sort of thing. Gibbs is about delivering results, or putting the best guys on the field to try to deliver results. To suggest otherwise, is absurd!

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TAFKAS,

I agree with just about everything you said in the above post. I too agree that Gibbs doesn't owe Ramsey much (although he shouldn't have told him he was going to be the starter if he was on such a short leash). I didn't intend to rehash the Brunell-Ramsey debate. All I meant to say was that our organization is very impatient and that isn't a good thing.

I would but the blame on three people (in no particular order):

Gibbs-I think it was a mistake for him to declare Ramsey the starter before even mini-camp started. Especially if he knew that Brunell was hurt the past season and that some time to recuperate would help him. He backed himself into an unnecessary corner by declaring Ramsey the starter when I don't think he really believed it. It also brings up the misconception that Gibbs owes something to Ramsey (I'll bring that up later)

Ramsey-In spite of finishing 3-4 as a starter last season, Ramsey did a pretty solid job. However, when he played during the preseason I didn't see someone who was any better than when he left the field against Minnesota to wrap up the 2004 season. I know people say that he wasn't given a fair chance, but I think that he had several months in the offseason to work on basic fundamentals that, in my opinion, he either didn't work on or if he did he didn't improve significantly upon them. Ramsey should have had the mentality "OK, I've been given the starting job and now I'm going to step out on the field and put so much distance between me and the next QB that there's no question I should be the guy"

The Fans-I can understand being frustrated, feeling that Ramsey was perhaps not given a fair chance. But here's the thing, Gibbs owes Ramsey nothing in my opinion. It sounds harsh I know. But when Gibbs was brought here, he was brought here to bring a winner back to DC. I'm pretty sure that Snyder, as much as he may love Ramsey, didn't tell Gibbs to help him bring back a Super Bowl trophy "but make sure Ramsey is a part of it" If Gibbs thinks that the answer is Brunell now and Campbell next year (or the year after) I think that's fine to disagree but I don't think it should be because you think he owes anything to Ramsey. (and offiss, I'm not singling you out here, just happen to be quoting your post)


We would then have to ask what does he owe Brunell if he was brought here to win? Because that clearly has not happened under Brunell, the state of our team right now is not a state of progress, this team is regressing.

The question is why did Gibbs name Ramsey the starter to begin with? I believe the reason was he looked 1000 times better than Brunell last season.

It's funny how Gibbs keeps insisting that the reason Brunell failed last season is because of his injury, even though Brunell had his best game of the year the week after, it's also ironic that Brunell has stated that his injury was not a factor, in fact he has said his inability to produce last season was because he didn't have much help surrounding him.

Eventually we will learn when Ramsey gets dealt whether or not he can play, as for Brunell where are we really going with him, I have to hope that Gibbs didn't give away next years draft for a QB who's going to be holding a clipboard for 3 years?

sometimes u have to let them hodl the clipboard

carson palmer
chad pennington

2 recent qbs drafted first round who sat and held the clipboard, both have been very successful

Has anyone else noticed that people on this site don't really get sarcasm?

I notice it constantly...but I dont want it to change cause it makes me laugh at people getting worked up over sarcastic non-rumors. And laughter at work is at a premium.

Sarcasm isn't exactly the easiest thing to pick up on in print, especially considering some of the wacked takes some people tend to have. And no, I'm not being sarcastic.

It's becoming more apparent that Gibbs is having a real tough time without a real genious in talent evaluation in Beathard at his side, he's finding out that it's much harder to do whatever you want on offense when you don't have an O-line that dominates opposing defensive lines everytime you take the field, yes Gibbs [ when injuries were not a factor ] enjoyed that kind advantage for a decade back in the 80's.

Now we spend 161 million dollars on 3 player's, Portis, Arrington, and Brunell, trade away next years draft for Campbell, and discard Ramsey who may at some point in his carreer prove to be the best of the bunch.

Guess what, it doesn't work without dominant lines, that is the key to football, offensive, and defensive line play, when you have that you don't need 68 million $ LB's, you don't need 50 mil $ RB's, and you don't need a 35 year old 43 mil $ QB, as the skins of the 80's proved time and again. Great lines make winners out of decent players, great D-lines keep blockers off your LB's, great O-lines open holes for decent RB's, they also allow your QB time to get comfortable and look downfield for recievers, while providing him a reliable running game.

Us? Well we now have probably the most talented trio of QB's in the league, while Williams tries week in and week out to figure out a way to stop offenses without a D-line, and guess what theres no help on the way because Gibbs just had to have Campbell, like he just had to have Portis, as well as Brunell!

And yes it's official Portis is even less talented than I thought when we traded for him, I have watched him to many times run right into the backs of our lineman and then cut to the hole that he should have hit instantly, not all our problems lie with our line with the running game, Portis is not a special back by any means.

It's to bad we gave up next years draft, I hear Gibbs is now interested in Dayne, and all denver want's is Sean Taylor, and a #2.

You can't win in the NFL if you can't evaluate, and draft winning talent, and other than Cooley, Taylor was a no brainer, in 2 years what do we really have through the draft? 3 players, one of which Rogers has yet to become a starter.

Yes Gibbs recieved all the glory, but it's becoming more apparent with every game that Beathard was greatly underestimated in the success that Gibbs enjoyed throughout the 80's.

I hear what your saying but Ramsey the Best of the bunch? We are in trouble if that is true!!! Ramsey is a back up QB in the NFL. Yes he will get another starting job for some team but he will fail. He needs a lot of work and maybe he might be Brees but not likey.