Problems with the Defense, IMHO

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itvnetop
11-20-2005, 07:18 PM
merriman is looking like a beast today in SD

SUNRA
11-20-2005, 07:27 PM
Our best bet is John Abraham for Ramsey. Abraham wants out of New York especially after this season. When I think of Dexter Manley and Charles Mann I get pissed off because we have dropped the ball in recruiting those kind of DEs abd DTs. It better happen soon or it will be another dissppointing season.

steveo395
11-20-2005, 08:30 PM
Honestly, I think a fair amount of the blame can be put on Frost for not kicking good punts when he needed to.
frost is horrilbe...i have no idea why we got him, he blows

Beemnseven
11-20-2005, 08:47 PM
Drunk on our own success, every last person on this board - and I absolutely include myself in this - forgot that we are a defensive of relatively pedestrian talent - at least on paper.

Uhhh, I beg to differ on this point. I was one of those who expected this defense to take a slight hit this season. By virtue of the fact that there was absolutely no effort by the front office to upgrade the defensive line, with the loss of Fred Smoot and the reliance on Walt Harris as a full-time starting corner, I was wrong only because they took more than a "slight hit." This defense is on the verge of falling below the 'average' mark.

Beemnseven
11-20-2005, 08:53 PM
Remember guys, according to lots of Warpathers, the defensive line is excused for not getting pressure on the quarterback -- that's the job of the secondary and linebackers.

It's just "part of the system."

:rolleyes:

sniks
11-20-2005, 09:01 PM
giving up 16 points in a game isnt bad.scoring no tds is.This team needs another reciever to compliment moss.As valuable as cooley is he doesnt scare any d backs.He cant take it to the house on any deep passes.Portis fumbles did hurt today but 95 yds are adequate.Take moss out the game and you have nobody.

Beemnseven
11-20-2005, 09:09 PM
I know someone will argue that we played well defensively today; that we only gave up 16 points and stood strong at the end of the game. And that's true.

Not to be a jerk, but I don't agree with this statement, either.

According to the play-by-play summary at NFL.com, there were long Raider drives of 13, 11, and 11 plays that led to 13 unanswered points, given up by the defense in the second half. I don't understand how that fits with "standing strong at the end of the game." At the end of the game, the defense crumbled by allowing the winning points -- they most certainly didn't 'stand strong.'

Sure, some will say "the defense played well today, they only allowed 16 points!" The problem is, that's all the opposing team needed to win. So that's not exactly something to be proud of.

Beemnseven
11-20-2005, 09:11 PM
Portis fumbles did hurt today but 95 yds are adequate.

How can Portis' 95 rushing yards be considered "adequate" when they lost the game?

djnemo65
11-20-2005, 09:13 PM
Not to be a jerk, but I don't agree with this statement, either.

According to the play-by-play summary at NFL.com, there were long Raider drives of 13, 11, and 11 plays that led to 13 unanswered points, given up by the defense in the second half. I don't understand how that fits with "standing strong at the end of the game." At the end of the game, the defense crumbled by allowing the winning points -- they most certainly didn't 'stand strong.'

Sure, some will say "the defense played well today, they only allowed 16 points!" The problem is, that's all the opposing team needed to win. So that's not exactly something to be proud of.

When I was talking about "standing strong" I was referring to the goaline stand. Sorry I was not more clear on that. My point was that they did allow the lengthy drives that you mentioned, and that this was a problem. In seems to me like we agree on this point.

When I say "some will say," I didn't mean myself...I meant other people. Sorry I was not more clear on that either. Thought that was pretty self-explanatory.

sniks
11-20-2005, 09:15 PM
when 100 yd games are the measuring stick in the nfl thats not too bad.Enough to keep the defense honest if you had a passing game.

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