Did Gibbs Make the Wrong Call?

Take a look at what happened to PHilly last night when they passed in the same situation.

Take a look at what happened to PHilly last night when they passed in the same situation.


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Take a look at what happened to PHilly last night when they passed in the same situation.


What does the Philly game have to do with our game, you have to play the game we could have fumbled on the run, we could have had the pass intercepted if we passed. Look at the two point conversion in our game is that the norm, but doing something risky can also win you the game so look at the Tampa game. If I have learned anything when you start doing things different than you have done the whole game like we were mixing it up high percentage passes, some stretch plays, hitting the middle, spreading the ball around you lose. Then we go three straight plays nose dive into the guard and tackle when we had been converting first downs all game with what we were doing. Similar to the way some defenses do it and we did for many years in the past shut teams down and then go to a prevent defense and we would lose. To say three straight runs was the answer you are wrong we needed a first down, call plays to do that not run additional 25 seconds off the clock. As we have seen it was two minutes plus on the clock all the Bucs needed and many NFL teams is about in this case 58 seconds. All we did was give them time to drive the field twice on us so thank heavens we saved the 25 seconds. You can accomplish all the above if you can keep a defense on it's toes which we have not in this exact same situation in numerous games. Luckily the Eagles could not get in last week ina very similar situation with us. Luckily the Seahawks missed the field goal, we put the ball back in the Cowboys hands, we put the ball back in Tampas hands. If you look back at those stalled drives you will see very simialr play calling I call that predictable in that situation.

What does the Philly game have to do with our game, you have to play the game we could have fumbled on the run, we could have had the pass intercepted if we passed. Look at the two point conversion in our game is that the norm, but doing something risky can also win you the game so look at the Tampa game. If I have learned anything when you start doing things different than you have done the whole game like we were mixing it up high percentage passes, some stretch plays, hitting the middle, spreading the ball around you lose. Then we go three straight plays nose dive into the guard and tackle when we had been converting first downs all game with what we were doing. Similar to the way some defenses do it and we did for many years in the past shut teams down and then go to a prevent defense and we would lose. To say three straight runs was the answer you are wrong we needed a first down, call plays to do that not run additional 25 seconds off the clock. As we have seen it was two minutes plus on the clock all the Bucs needed and many NFL teams is about in this case 58 seconds. All we did was give them time to drive the field twice on us so thank heavens we saved the 25 seconds. You can accomplish all the above if you can keep a defense on it's toes which we have not in this exact same situation in numerous games. Luckily the Eagles could not get in last week ina very similar situation with us. Luckily the Seahawks missed the field goal, we put the ball back in the Cowboys hands, we put the ball back in Tampas hands. If you look back at those stalled drives you will see very simialr play calling I call that predictable in that situation.

I have the feeling that if we would have attempted a pass and had it intersepted, or a sack and fumble or incomplete people would be bitching about not running the ball and taking more time off the clock. Joe knows what the hell he's doing, see the 3 trophies in the showcase at redskin park. If we get the first down on the run everyone would be saying what a call, the defense was looking for the pass and we ran. So I think its damn if you do and damn if you dont. Joe has won almost more than any coach in the NFL by calling games the same way he did last Sunday. the fact is, the O line could not get the tough yards at the end of the game, which good O lines and teams do. The Hogs use to tell people they were coming right at them, and dare you to stop them. This team does not have that mentality or confidence, YET!! When we do, we will be running the ball down peoples throat at the end of games. Our defense should have played a little more conservative and not given up the big play. If anyone is at fault, fault Greg Williams for calling the same defensive plays that we were getting burned on all day long.

What does the Philly game have to do with our game, you have to play the game we could have fumbled on the run, we could have had the pass intercepted if we passed. Look at the two point conversion in our game is that the norm, but doing something risky can also win you the game so look at the Tampa game. If I have learned anything when you start doing things different than you have done the whole game like we were mixing it up high percentage passes, some stretch plays, hitting the middle, spreading the ball around you lose. Then we go three straight plays nose dive into the guard and tackle when we had been converting first downs all game with what we were doing. Similar to the way some defenses do it and we did for many years in the past shut teams down and then go to a prevent defense and we would lose. To say three straight runs was the answer you are wrong we needed a first down, call plays to do that not run additional 25 seconds off the clock. As we have seen it was two minutes plus on the clock all the Bucs needed and many NFL teams is about in this case 58 seconds. All we did was give them time to drive the field twice on us so thank heavens we saved the 25 seconds. You can accomplish all the above if you can keep a defense on it's toes which we have not in this exact same situation in numerous games. Luckily the Eagles could not get in last week ina very similar situation with us. Luckily the Seahawks missed the field goal, we put the ball back in the Cowboys hands, we put the ball back in Tampas hands. If you look back at those stalled drives you will see very simialr play calling I call that predictable in that situation.
Its predictable because its the right call. Eat as much time off the clock try to get a 1st down. If not punt and force the team to go the length of the field with little time on the clock. Its not like weren't able to run on them all game.

Its predictable because its the right call. Eat as much time off the clock try to get a 1st down. If not punt and force the team to go the length of the field with little time on the clock. Its not like weren't able to run on them all game.
Sunday was our best rushing performance of the season. We dominated the line of scrimmage when we ran but really ONLY when we ran. Our pass blocking was admittedly suspect and helped in causing a turnover earlier in the game. The fact that we didn't get the most important 1st down sucks but our run blocking and Portis earned the coaches' trust all game.

Its predictable because its the right call. Eat as much time off the clock try to get a 1st down. If not punt and force the team to go the length of the field with little time on the clock. Its not like weren't able to run on them all game.

I'm not saying we did not run on them all game because we did, I am saying that still mix it up even if we ran the ball all game I can bet we never did that same play 3 times in a row. I don't question Gibbs, just my opinion that we handled that drive different than we did all other drives. Predictable does not get you wins in today's NFL, so please how many times have we compared the 80's and ninties game to today's personnel and game. You can't and I think we learned that last year when we ran the 80's and ninties offense last year and had the lowest production in almost all the NFL. So I don't care if it worked for the Hogs it has not worked for us in 2005 in quite a few games. I would not have questioned the call because 3rd and inches is sometimes hard to get in that situation let alone third and two. We got 6yards then 2 yards then 0 maybe 1 yard on third. We have been successful on a lot of our third down conversions this year I would be curious how many were pass and how many were run. It is all hindsight and would be different if we won, but we did not so it leaves it open for discussion and opinion correct. If the run was so solid I can recall our two point conversion was a pass, I can recall another short third down conversion pass to Cooley, another third down for a touchdown to Sellers a pass. Everyone is hung up on that 25 seconds we ran off the clock and if we threw a int.

I'm not saying we did not run on them all game because we did, I am saying that still mix it up even if we ran the ball all game I can bet we never did that same play 3 times in a row. I don't question Gibbs, just my opinion that we handled that drive different than we did all other drives. Predictable does not get you wins in today's NFL, so please how many times have we compared the 80's and ninties game to today's personnel and game. You can't and I think we learned that last year when we ran the 80's and ninties offense last year and had the lowest production in almost all the NFL. So I don't care if it worked for the Hogs it has not worked for us in 2005 in quite a few games. I would not have questioned the call because 3rd and inches is sometimes hard to get in that situation let alone third and two. We got 6yards then 2 yards then 0 maybe 1 yard on third. We have been successful on a lot of our third down conversions this year I would be curious how many were pass and how many were run. It is all hindsight and would be different if we won, but we did not so it leaves it open for discussion and opinion correct. If the run was so solid I can recall our two point conversion was a pass, I can recall another short third down conversion pass to Cooley, another third down for a touchdown to Sellers a pass. Everyone is hung up on that 25 seconds we ran off the clock and if we threw a int.
Wow ur furious:mad: ! I never said anything about 80's or 90's or the Hogs where did that come from? You dusted them off for no reason. Scoring 35pts I think the O is fine. Everyone's not just hung up on the 25 sec's everyone just knows that there were 5 or 6 reasons we lost this game.
Running the ball on third down was guaranteed to keep the clock moving, and a high percentage to get the first down considering how were running the ball. A pass could be incomplete stopping the clock, picked off, or Brunell could get sacked and loose yardage. Oline had to chance to step up and win the game and they did not. That still left our Def with a good chance to stop them.

Wow ur furious:mad: ! I never said anything about 80's or 90's or the Hogs where did that come from? You dusted them off for no reason. Scoring 35pts I think the O is fine. Everyone's not just hung up on the 25 sec's everyone just knows that there were 5 or 6 reasons we lost this game.
Running the ball on third down was guaranteed to keep the clock moving, and a high percentage to get the first down considering how were running the ball. A pass could be incomplete stopping the clock, picked off, or Brunell could get sacked and loose yardage. Oline had to chance to step up and win the game and they did not. That still left our Def with a good chance to stop them.

Not furious :) just responding to an earlier reply about four or five previous that commented 56fanatic check them out there are other opinions than mine or yours. His just happened to be about about Gibbs and three trophies and the Hogs, not attacking you or anybody. I didn't say this was the only reason we lost only commenting on this post that is in reference to Gibbs call on the last drive. There are plenty of other posts questioning turnovers, Alstott, and the other reasons we lost the game, just keeping with the theme. What was Tampa Bay thinking when they threw on that last drive didn't they know it could have been picked off, the clock stopped we drove down the field and scored with time on the clock, or Simms been sacked. These things can happen on any play of the game why alter that because it is the last drive or the second to last drive, etc...

Wow ur furious:mad: ! I never said anything about 80's or 90's or the Hogs where did that come from? You dusted them off for no reason. Scoring 35pts I think the O is fine. Everyone's not just hung up on the 25 sec's everyone just knows that there were 5 or 6 reasons we lost this game.
Running the ball on third down was guaranteed to keep the clock moving, and a high percentage to get the first down considering how were running the ball. A pass could be incomplete stopping the clock, picked off, or Brunell could get sacked and loose yardage. Oline had to chance to step up and win the game and they did not. That still left our Def with a good chance to stop them.


Well the flow of the game was defiently tilting towards Tampa, they found our week spot down the middle and we weren't stopping them, so the correct call is to get a first down, the key in that situatuation is not to run one minute off the clock, the key is to not allow Tampa an opportunity on offense, without a firstdown Tampa gets the ball back with enough time to drive the length of the field, considering how fast they were carving up our secondary at that point we should have played desperate for a 1st down, not go into a shell worried about a possible TO, or stoppage of the clock.

But I guess we don't learn, Gibbs is bent on proving Portis is the all around back that he keeps telling us he is, Portis is not going to make yards on his own powering the ball, then consider our line and the lack of push and there it is, we can't run the ball in obvious running situations, so why try when the game is on the line? That is the weekest part of our offense and yet at the most crucial point in the game we go to our weekest link to win it, kind of like Mariano Rivera throwing 3 changeup's in a row with the bases loaded up 3 in the 9th, just doesn't make sense.