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BrudLee 10-28-2005, 07:58 PM I believe Aikman is a Hall of Fame player, but a QB who holds no records, never dominated statistically, and was surrounded by as much talent as he was isn't a "lead pipe lock" for the Hall on his first ballot.
This isn't a "Slam Aikman" feeling - he plays an overvalued position, and while he was very good at it, I don't know that he was dominant in his era at the position. He should and will be inducted, but he's no slam dunk.
Aikman was a media darling.
He led the Cowboys to 3 titles and they were a true dynasty in the 90s. I'd be shocked if he didn't get in first ballot.
FRPLG 10-28-2005, 08:47 PM Monk was more dominate than Aikman period. It is one of the most dreadful travesties in sports today: A guy who is like top 5 in almost every significant category doesn't get the props he deserves. Makes me sad to think about it.
Monk was more dominate than Aikman period. It is one of the most dreadful travesties in sports today: A guy who is like top 5 in almost every significant category doesn't get the props he deserves. Makes me sad to think about it.
Difference is Aikman played QB, the ultimate glamour position in all of sports.
His stats are pretty decent, but the rings and his winning % put him over the top.
onlydarksets 10-28-2005, 11:23 PM Difference is Aikman played QB, the ultimate glamour position in all of sports.
His stats are pretty decent, but the rings and his winning % put him over the top.
I'm sorry - didn't Monk play for the Skins in 1982, 1987, and 1991? ;)
jhold4th 10-29-2005, 12:36 AM Herb Mul-Key robbed again
SmootSmack 10-29-2005, 04:10 AM I believe Aikman is a Hall of Fame player, but a QB who holds no records, never dominated statistically, and was surrounded by as much talent as he was isn't a "lead pipe lock" for the Hall on his first ballot.
This isn't a "Slam Aikman" feeling - he plays an overvalued position, and while he was very good at it, I don't know that he was dominant in his era at the position. He should and will be inducted, but he's no slam dunk.
You sort of bring up an interesting point about Aikman. Aikman was efficient, not necessarily a star. His teams usually had the lead going into the final quarter so he never really had to dig deep and pull out some miraculous comeback, a la Elway. So should that be held against him?
Redskins8588 10-29-2005, 06:06 AM I believe Aikman is a Hall of Fame player, but a QB who holds no records, never dominated statistically, and was surrounded by as much talent as he was isn't a "lead pipe lock" for the Hall on his first ballot.
This isn't a "Slam Aikman" feeling - he plays an overvalued position, and while he was very good at it, I don't know that he was dominant in his era at the position. He should and will be inducted, but he's no slam dunk.
I agree, if any QB deserves to make it this year it should be Moon. Look at his stats, he was a great QB on shity teams.
Passing Attempts: 6823
Passing Comp: 3988
Comp %: 58.4%
Passing Yards: 49325
Passing TD: 291
For each catagory this is where he is ranked among the others.
Passing Attempts: 4th, only Favre, Elway, Marino ahead of him
Passing Comp: 4th, with the same 3 ahead of him
Passing Yards: 4th, with the same 3 ahead of him
Passing TD: 5th, with the same 3 ahead of him plus Tarkenton
So if you look at the company he is with, he is more than deserving of a 1st time ballot to make the HOF.
All of my information was taken from this web site:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/MoonWa00.htm
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/misc/ptd.htm
5RINGS 10-29-2005, 02:15 PM I believe Aikman is a Hall of Fame player, but a QB who holds no records, never dominated statistically, and was surrounded by as much talent as he was isn't a "lead pipe lock" for the Hall on his first ballot.
This isn't a "Slam Aikman" feeling - he plays an overvalued position, and while he was very good at it, I don't know that he was dominant in his era at the position. He should and will be inducted, but he's no slam dunk.
It is as you say, QB is a very public and overvalued position. Nevertheless, the offensive leader of a true dynasty (no free agancy crap ala the patriots) with three rings - one SB MVP - who we still see every week on TV, (and isn't making an a$$ of himself like Irvin) is getting in first ballot slam dunk, thanks for coming, who do we vote on next?
Monk should be in as should Irvin. I don't wanna throw the race card in but.....
I don't want to get into the HOF argument, cause there are a lot of people who think that with 5 rings, the Cowboys should have more players in the Hall. I don't know.
That Guy 10-29-2005, 05:20 PM monk leads irvin in every category (yards, TDs, he also has 3 SB rings), so you do agree monk should go in first?
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