(Merged Threads) LaVar Arrington and Gregg Williams

Well if Trent Green says put him in than what are we waiting for?????? If only we could fire Gibbs and have Trent and Tony G coach us up!


Hey, some jerkoff named Greg something said we'd be better if he was on the field only last year. Good thing that guys not the freaking coach or anything. What was that guy's last name?... Willard...Wilkins.....Wilders......... I can't remember.

I don't care what GW says. He is the coach, if he wants to win he should find a way to get Lavar to do what he wants. Whether it is by doing some Kung Fu master vs grasshopper shit, or some other insipation. I mean he is the coach and Lavar is the player.
Everyone ignores the fact Lavar was a pro bowler, and got sacks even when he played on shitty D's. Holdman is not better then Lavar, never will be. If he doesn't make the plays when he is in position than who cares. You could train a PhD student to line up in the right places but when his ass gets blown up each snap he ain't shit. GW has beef with Lavar, Lavar is doubting himself GW is creating derision amongst the ranks....play your fucking stars it can only help you.
He has nothing to lose starting Lavar either he shines and we can utilize him or fizzles and we can move on and he can tell everyone I told you so.
I think GW is an excellent D coordinator but he needs to be a coach for a second, and get the most out of the roster.

As much as I love Lavar, there must be something going on there as even Marvin Lewis exclaimed "Do you think it is fun coaching Lavar." I love Lavar, but I think that it has reached the time for the Redskins to bring in an outside mediator to iron out some of these differences. If we make an exception for Lavar then the whole element of "team" is compromised. He can not be an exception to the rules of the team. IMO

As much as I love Lavar, there must be something going on there as even Marvin Lewis exclaimed "Do you think it is fun coaching Lavar." I love Lavar, but I think that it has reached the time for the Redskins to bring in an outside mediator to iron out some of these differences. If we make an exception for Lavar then the whole element of "team" is compromised. He can not be an exception to the rules of the team. IMO


I agree that no player is bigger than the team, but I just wanna know what he's doing do deserve this assumtion. Williams himself recently said he has a great team-first attitude. I doubt he wouldve said that if it didn't translate over even on the practice field. Do you think if he was "freelancing" and blowind assignments in practice that GW would say he had a team first attitude. I think that would translate into a "me first" kind of attitude.

i've been trying not to add fuel to the fire on this topic. but this is rediculous.

i know its probably absurd to say but the only thing that makes sense is that snyder has benched lavar. kinda like what davis did the marcus allen.

this is a healthy 3 time probowler in the prime of his career and he cant get on the field with 2 marginal linebackers ahead of him(marshall at MLB and Holdman OLB).

there were reports last year that snyder told Coles that he was going to bench him for the rest of his career or something like that.

I like williams, but i cant beleive a proven all pro cant get on the field...

sorry for the double post, but

would the redskins have won a superbowl if they benched riggins?

what about gary clark, alvin walton, dexter manley, wilber marshall....

i know its hard to freelance on offence, clark and riggins were characters that did their own thing at times and came up huge in the clutch.


i understand the whole concept of a "team scheme" but no one will tell me that Phillip daniels and Wynn are better defensive ends on 3rd and 10 than lavar. you cant waste that kind of talent. if he is a free lancer, atleast use him on situations where he has one role(KILL THE GOD DAMN QUARTERBACK).

sorry for the double post, but

would the redskins have won a superbowl if they benched riggins?

what about gary clark, alvin walton, dexter manley, wilber marshall....

i know its hard to freelance on offence, clark and riggins were characters that did their own thing at times and came up huge in the clutch.


i understand the whole concept of a "team scheme" but no one will tell me that Phillip daniels and Wynn are better defensive ends on 3rd and 10 than lavar. you cant waste that kind of talent. if he is a free lancer, atleast use him on situations where he has one role(KILL THE GOD DAMN QUARTERBACK).


I am glad you said this, when Gibbs wanted Riggins everyone was worried about his attitude the its my way or no way. And Gibbs has always had the knack of getting through to players that in others peoples eyes are trouble. Dexter Manley is a prime example. Former player always say what a great motivator Gibbs is, he gets the most and even more for players.
Another good point was the guy that said Holdman is so bad that if he is in position, his ass is getting blown up and taken out of the play. That has been my sticking point with all this crap. Who cares if Holdman is in position, the fact is he has 12 FREAKIN TACKLES in 5 games,(and not only him)but majority of the big plays we are giving up, the screen, some of the long runs in the Seattle game, Denver and KC all have been to the right side of defense. I am not saying LaVar would have stopped them all, but I would bet he would have stopped more big plays than sorry ass Holdman has. Again, 12 tackles in 5 games, thats being in position!! LaVar last year in first two games, 15 tackles, 1 sack, thats being out of position!!.

This whole "freelance" thing is way out of proportion, IMO. Does he freelance? Sure he does. Really, has LaVar become so inept that he can't get in on one down for two consecutive games?

We've gone through a page thread explaining and giving theories on why a Pro-Bowl linebacker won't play because he can't play within or pick-up the system.

I love Gregg Williams and coach Gibbs....but is LaVar that incapable?

From PFW: http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/The+Way+We+Hear+It/default.htm?mode=nfceast

Some very revealing thoughts from a personnel director to PFW on the LaVar Arrington situation: “The key to Gregg Williams’ defense is discipline. The only way that unit can win is if everyone is playing 100 percent disciplined football. They have a few core guys — Sean Taylor, Marcus Washington, Cornelius Griffin, Shawn Springs — but the rest are just role players. LaVar’s problem is that he has never been disciplined. He has never been a worker. He’s a street player who doesn’t study. If you surround him with enough good players, he can fit into your defense. But the Redskins’ defensive coaching staff is a very talented group. Greg Blache is an excellent defensive line coach. (DB coach) DeWayne Walker is an outstanding teacher. They are all very good teachers. They preach fundamentals and have their guys in the right position.” And this: “LaVar has been told countless times what he needs to do. Instead, he is running his mouth in the media. Shut your mouth and open up your playbook. Show some awareness. Know where you fit. Know where to line up. When he recognizes he is just a cog in the wheel, not the wheel he has always saw himself as being and thinks he is — he’ll see the field. Until he proves he won’t make any mental mistakes, all he’ll be is the miserable malcontent he has been all year. And to be frank, if he doesn’t shut his mouth, he may be subjected to the treatment Keyshawn Johnson was a couple of years ago.” Johnson was suspended by the Buccaneers for the final six games of the 2003 season for disciplinary reasons.

From PFW: http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/The+Way+We+Hear+It/default.htm?mode=nfceast

good post...I just think there's two heads to this coin though.