(Merged Threads) LaVar Arrington and Gregg Williams

I'm not going to support either side of the LaVar argument, I AM going to say this about the point offiss raised: What was our record when LaVar had those 11 sacks?

GETTING turnovers isn't really a problem as long as we don't give UP turnovers.

What was our record when LaVar had those 11 sacks?

If we're using that logic, Marvin Lewis' defense was ranked 5th that year with the undisciplined LaVar Arrington in on just about every defensive play.

What was Washingtons record last year with Gregg Williams "disciplined" defense?

Everyone is making some damn good points on this LaVar saga. I hadn't realized that Holdman has been contributing so much. 12 tackles, man that is probowl material there. And from the weak side, oh wait that means he doesn't have to worry about the TE as much. Well, 12 tackles thats still amazing. boy just imagine if he wasn't on the field how would we make up those 12 huge tackles? I am for one, punching Holmans name for the probowl. with those numbers he will end with something like 40 tackles this year, that is STRONG!! What are we all complaining about? do we think LaVar can get 12 tackles in 5 games, I think not!!


Are you kidding me, I hope you all realize that was sarcasim(spelled right?) at its best. 12 tackles from the weekside LB through 5 games, that is putrid!! I believe Carlos Rogers, a rookie corner who has only started 2 games has that many, and he even caused a fumble, we didn't get it back, but he caused one anyway. Every analyst, ever expert(so called) says there is no reason for LaVar to be sitting. Michael Irvin even said it has to be personal. I am starting to believe it. I never thought I would be so livid at my Redskins, but its an insult to all of us Skins fans if they think we are buying into this BS of LaVar not capable of playing in this D. As it was said earlier, If Marvin Lewis was having such a hard time with LaVar and his "freelancing" then why did he always have him on the field? you know why, because you have to game plan for the man, hes a playmaker, he puts fear in the hearts of those lining up under center, fear in people catching those little flares on the outside or in the middle. I saw no one around Priest a couple of times when he caught the ball in the middle of the field, and no one around to take a shot a Trent "I wear concrete on my feet" Green when he took off down the middle. Tell me he would even think about that if he is stairing down #56. Didn't Aikman try to run once, oh thats right he doesn't play anymore and wont even think about playing because he has nightmares of the Burgandy and Gold #56 drilling him into retirement!!!!!!!!

Anyone with 56 as part of there name and references Michael Irvin to make a point doesn't' have one. This situation is best summed up in this Quote from a current Redskin player who asked not to be identified in the Lavar Article in the Post today.

"I think both sides need to meet in the middle somehow," said the teammate who asked not to be identified. "He needs to make more of an effort, mentally, to find his place in this system, and somehow they've got to find a way to get him on the field at least in certain situations. I think they can find a way to play him a little more, but you have to earn that trust on every play, and it's not there yet, and I can understand that, too. Everyone here knows he's a big turnover guy and can make those plays, but there has to be that trust that there won't be a big play back the other way, too, and that trust is not there yet."

Why would this unidentified player be saying the same things as coaches if its not true???? So all you people bashing GW for giving us the best defense we had in years think about what your saying. Were all rooting for the Redskins not the Arrington's.

The national media is having a great time with this issue. It has become bigger than LDS. Bigger than HOF Coach Gibbs. Bigger than G. Williams. Bigger even than LaVarr himself!

Could LaVarr have helped us to our 3 wins?

Could he have helped us in our 2 losses?

Is he overhyped because of his Draft position?

Is he indeed the 3 time Pro-Bowl player, or just another bench warmer?

Did we pay him too much, both the first and second time?

Is LaVarr sitting because LDS wants it so?

Is LaVarr sitting because he free-lances?

Is LaVarr sitting because he is still hurt?

Has HOF Coach Gibbs talked to LaVarr?

Has LDS talked to LaVarr?

Has any other NFL team called to trade for LaVarr?

Are we going to trade LaVarr before the trade deadline?

Way too many questions for one thread!


Just bring on the 49ers!

I am sooo sick of this i know i will :vomit-smi we don't have enough info to accuse or make a true judgement one way or another. hey, i'm as aggrivated as the next guy:banghead: . But i am going to go against the flow here and chill :cool: we are all fans and things are not going perfectly. and the main culprit is us. it's part of the evolution of a team , from a loser to a contender . we don't have alot of quality depth.that's where the salary cap fu pa's come in. but joe's building a good roster. but the job's not done.as far as lavar is concerned, i choose not to get into it simply because i have no info to make an informed desicion with. and i like both parties.it's to my benifit and theirs to work it out. do i think lavar can help ?absolutely. do i think the coaches are lieing? NO. so i am left with a choice of either rolling in it or leave it be. i'm going to leave it be.:grouphug: thanks for your time. take it easy.

Anyone with 56 as part of there name and references Michael Irvin to make a point doesn't' have one. This situation is best summed up in this Quote from a current Redskin player who asked not to be identified in the Lavar Article in the Post today.

"I think both sides need to meet in the middle somehow," said the teammate who asked not to be identified. "He needs to make more of an effort, mentally, to find his place in this system, and somehow they've got to find a way to get him on the field at least in certain situations. I think they can find a way to play him a little more, but you have to earn that trust on every play, and it's not there yet, and I can understand that, too. Everyone here knows he's a big turnover guy and can make those plays, but there has to be that trust that there won't be a big play back the other way, too, and that trust is not there yet."

Why would this unidentified player be saying the same things as coaches if its not true???? So all you people bashing GW for giving us the best defense we had in years think about what your saying. Were all rooting for the Redskins not the Arrington's.

Hey dude, go back to Mike Wilbons chat house and read what the defensive players are saying. And I believe Wilbon talks directly to the players. He says they want him on the field NOW. again, why is it you people feel the need to attack someone opinions or what they here on espn. Michael Irvin has no credit with you, he is a hall of famer. So does Troy Aikman have no credit, merrill Hodge, Jaws, those guys have no credit either. stop attacking other peoples opinions, this is what the chat is for. to express your opinions, I dont care if you disagree with what I am saying, but stop acting like spoiled brats when somebody doesnt agree with your line of thinking.

Everyone is making some damn good points on this LaVar saga. I hadn't realized that Holdman has been contributing so much. 12 tackles, man that is probowl material there. And from the weak side, oh wait that means he doesn't have to worry about the TE as much. Well, 12 tackles thats still amazing. boy just imagine if he wasn't on the field how would we make up those 12 huge tackles? I am for one, punching Holmans name for the probowl. with those numbers he will end with something like 40 tackles this year, that is STRONG!! What are we all complaining about? do we think LaVar can get 12 tackles in 5 games, I think not!!


Are you kidding me, I hope you all realize that was sarcasim(spelled right?) at its best. 12 tackles from the weekside LB through 5 games, that is putrid!! I believe Carlos Rogers, a rookie corner who has only started 2 games has that many, and he even caused a fumble, we didn't get it back, but he caused one anyway. Every analyst, ever expert(so called) says there is no reason for LaVar to be sitting. Michael Irvin even said it has to be personal. I am starting to believe it. I never thought I would be so livid at my Redskins, but its an insult to all of us Skins fans if they think we are buying into this BS of LaVar not capable of playing in this D. As it was said earlier, If Marvin Lewis was having such a hard time with LaVar and his "freelancing" then why did he always have him on the field? you know why, because you have to game plan for the man, hes a playmaker, he puts fear in the hearts of those lining up under center, fear in people catching those little flares on the outside or in the middle. I saw no one around Priest a couple of times when he caught the ball in the middle of the field, and no one around to take a shot a Trent "I wear concrete on my feet" Green when he took off down the middle. Tell me he would even think about that if he is stairing down #56. Didn't Aikman try to run once, oh thats right he doesn't play anymore and wont even think about playing because he has nightmares of the Burgandy and Gold #56 drilling him into retirement!!!!!!!!

You said it all. This is becoming a huge distraction to this team, to the fans, to everyone. I think the coaches have backed themselves into a corner on this and now they don't know how to undo what's been done. Gibbs probably feels he needs to support his staff, so he will never intervene and go against what one of his coaches has done. I believe the coaches (GW and the linebacker coach) think they would somehow lose face, if they were to admit that LaVar should be playing and to actually start letting him do so.

I just wish they would focus on the most important thing - playing the 11 players on defense who can best help us to win. To say that LaVar is not part of that equation is sheer lunacy, especially with the "D" struggling as it now is.

Both sides (LaVar and coaches) need to put their egos aside, have a frank discussion, and then the coaches need to let the man play. Let him play for an entire 2 or 3 games. If they still think he shouldn't be playing after that, I can accept it and it's time to move on. But, with two back-to-back losses, I'm tired of seeing one of our biggest playmakers warming the bench.

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Questioning the coaching staff is one thing. We all do that from time to time. Calling them liars, as you have done so, it something completely different. That calls for hardcore evidence to prove such an accusation.

I'm just curious why I haven't seen you take part in any discussion when we're winning?

Sorry, but I call it like I see it. I don't for a minute believe that the excuses we're hearing are the full story behind all of this. Maybe that's part of the reason he's warming the bench, but I'll never believe that GW truly thinks LaVar is the 6th string (or worse) linebacker on this team. Come on, worse than Holdman? Do YOU honestly believe that? If you are being honest, you would have to say "no". And saying "no" implies that the coaches haven't been truthful as the full story of why he's not playing.

I also think LaVar hasn't helped his case by being so public in his comments. Both sides have drawn a line in the sand and I don't know how things will ever get turned around again between LaVar and his coaches.

Bottom line is - I believe we're a far better "D" when he's in the game. He has already proven he can get sacks, lead the team in tackles, and force turnovers. This year, the "D" seems incapable of doing #1 and #3. Put the man in and let him contribute where this "D" seems to be lacking.

So now we're in favor of Snyder meddling with the team?

Wow, what a great idea that is!

Management is ALSO Gibbs the TEAM President...I swear if you were not an Admin and could get me banned I would really tell you what I think of your ....opinions. That is an uncalled for personal attack...which I think you get away with too much of since you are an admin.

But I guess that cannot happen since Gibbs is also the head coach, he cannot over rule or undermine his staff. This is yet another reason why the headcoach/GM/Team President all in one person does not work. Why would the team invest $60+ Million in a guy if he is going to ride the pine?