Same Ol' Story

Don't confuse your opinions with fact. The fact is, your opinion is weak.


no it's fact not opinion which you don't want to acknowledge so you pawn it off as opinion. It's your opinion that it is not fact.

Just check Brunells TO ratio over the coarse of the past 2 seasons, and you will find he averages 1 TO a game. thats not weak thats fact.

Has Portis scored a TD this year? No! That's fact!

How many times did Portis stumble and fall down today without being hit? 2,3,4 somewhere in there, that's fact.

no it's fact not opinion which you don't want to acknowledge so you pawn it off as opinion. It's your opinion that it is not fact.

Just check Brunells TO ratio over the coarse of the past 2 seasons, and you will find he averages 1 TO a game. thats not weak thats fact.

Has Portis scored a TD this year? No! That's fact!

How many times did Portis stumble and fall down today without being hit? 2,3,4 somewhere in there, that's fact.


Who cares what Brunell did last season? That is all you have to go by, which is why it's such a weak argument. Go ahead an admit your wrong about Brunell, most of the real men here have done so. :laughing-

Offiss, this is what you said earlier in this thread.

Same old same old out of Brunell, 2 more fumbles today, which does happen, in fact it happens every game with him

This simply is not true, and this is the statement we were responding to. He has 3 fumbles in 5 games on the year. 2 today, 1 last week. 3 does not = 5.

Ok, let's look at the argument you changed it to, his TO ratio over the last 2 seasons.

Going back to last year he has 8 total INTs and he's lost 6 fumbles, or 14 total turnovers in a total of 14 games. Fair enough, there's your average of 1.0 per game, but again that wasn't what you said initially.

And frankly last year is looking more and more like a pure fluke, especially considering the drastic turnaround this year. When can we finally forget about last year and focus on this year??

For the sake of the argument let's look at Ramsey's last two seasons, he has 12 INTs in 8 starts and 2 lost fumbles for a total of 14 turnovers in 8 starts, or 1.75 turnovers per start.

Comparing careers Brunell has 120 turnovers in 135 games played, or .888 turnovers per game.

Ramsey has 40 turnovers in 30 games, or 1.33 per game.

What facts apparently you didnt see Mattys post about Brunells #'s...


Here's some numbers for you, in 9 games last season Brunell turned the ball over 9 times.

In 4 and 3/4 games this season Brunell has turned the ball over 5 times. Your more than welcome to calculate the ratio and see if I presented the facts, or opinion.

Oh and by the way, Brunell has lost the last 2 games which is by far the most important stat, and both games were winnable, and lucky for him the seattle kicker choaked other wise he would be on a 3 game losing streak because of a late INT in his own end. As I said last week Brunell has squeeked out wins against below average teams, the first 2 legitamate teams we run into we lose.

I will put up a link up for Portis's TD's when he actually gets one.

Matty, what's the ol' saying, misery loves company? ;)

So Offiss what are you saying, are you in favor of starting Ramsey over Brunell??

Or are you just hating on Brunell for the sake of hating?

Here's some numbers for you, in 9 games last season Brunell turned the ball over 9 times.

In 4 and 3/4 games this season Brunell has turned the ball over 5 times. Your more than welcome to calculate the ratio and see if I presented the facts, or opinion.

Oh and by the way, Brunell has lost the last 2 games which is by far the most important stat, and both games were winnable, and lucky for him the seattle kicker choaked other wise he would be on a 3 game losing streak because of a late INT in his own end. As I said last week Brunell has squeeked out wins against below average teams, the first 2 legitamate teams we run into we lose.

I will put up a link up for Portis's TD's when he actually gets one.

My lord, is there something wrong? Your not secrelty burning Redskins stuff off the board are you? Brunell has done a darn good job and I'm extremely pleased. Ramsey could not do what Brunell HAS done. Otherwise Ramsey would be out there.

Guys I hate to say this but Rock's fumble cost us the game, while Brunell's fumble just cost us points. The Skins need to convert more often in the Red Zone and they will be OK. But forget Brunell for a minute, and let's face facts, on Defense we have what 1 INT on the season and 1 fumble recovery? Am I right? The Skins need to shorten the field for the offense.

Offiss, this is what you said earlier in this thread.



This simply is not true, and this is the statement we were responding to. He has 3 fumbles in 5 games on the year. 2 today, 1 last week. 3 does not = 5.

Ok, let's look at the argument you changed it to, his TO ratio over the last 2 seasons.

Going back to last year he has 8 total INTs and he's lost 6 fumbles, or 14 total turnovers in a total of 14 games. Fair enough, there's your average of 1.0 per game, but again that wasn't what you said initially.

And frankly last year is looking more and more like a pure fluke, especially considering the drastic turnaround this year. When can we finally forget about last year and focus on this year??

For the sake of the argument let's look at Ramsey's last two seasons, he has 12 INTs in 8 starts and 2 lost fumbles for a total of 14 turnovers in 8 starts, or 1.75 turnovers per start.

Comparing careers Brunell has 120 turnovers in 135 games played, or .888 turnovers per game.

Ramsey has 40 turnovers in 30 games, or 1.33 per game.


Do I really have to spell every little thing out for you, what do think same old means??????

It means another game another costly TO! Period!

Who's talking about Ramsey? This is about Brunell, and your going to forget about last year than do so, don't start comparing Ramsey with Brunell that in itself from your posts about Brunell doesn't say much about Brunell by comparison.

We can forget all the nonesense and ticky tack comparisons, and all the numbers, the bottom line is the past 2 games could have been won by Brunell, easily, and irregardless he lost both of them, with no help from Portis. that's the bottom line.

The Rock fumble was definitely a huge swing. Perhaps we get at least 3 outta that drive, it definitely changed the entire course of the game. It was a 10 point swing at the least, perhaps 14.