Who's better, Clinton Portis or Tatum Bell?

If we want to get in to the 'I told you so' game, what's the score on that Brunell debate now, offiss?

I'd say it's
Gibbs 1
offiss 0

;)


Wrong! Gibbs has proven he can win with a nobody at QB, see Rypien, Williams, and Schroeder.

I was the one who said that although I hated the Brunell move he wasen't nearly as bad as he was made out to be, his biggest problem was Gibbs. My contention has been that Gibbs would be much more successfull if he gave the same attention to Ramsey that he's given to Brunell.

By the way I haven't heard anyone say it yet, but how great was Brunells decision to throw that ball on the 2 point conversion? Absolute stupidity! He had an easy score if he ran it in, there was one guy with a blocker on him he would have waltzed in, or he could have waited for Patten to clear, instead he makes a hurried throw with no one around him, you never throw the ball in a situation like that if the opportunity to run it in presents itself.

Bottom line regardless of Brunells success it was a stupid deal in the fact we could have obtained him for a lot less money, and no draft picks. so yes it was a stupid deal, especially for a coach who has proven he doesn't need a big name QB to win.

Are we judging Brunell off of 1 game? A game that he lost, which regardless of the circumstances he could have won all by himself late in the game.

I really like what I have been seeing lately from Brunell, but I think it's more of Gibbs starting to come around than anything, which is the biggest plus we can all take solice in.

So Brunell gets no credit here, it's all on Gibbs? That's a convenient copout.

As for the pass to Patten, he was wide open and the defender got his hand up and made a play. It's debateable as to whether he could have ran it in, he had a defender right in front of him and Royal was in no position to block him if Brunell took off for the endzone. Besides, I'm not going to overlook everything else he did in that game and boil his performance down to one tipped pass.

As I pointed out in another thread, Brunell's contact isn't what it appears to be when you consider he's probably outta here after next year. It's basically a 3 year, $10M deal.

Royal actually slipped when he was running his route, which explains why Ian Gold LUCKLILY got his hand on that pass. If Royal wouldn't have slipped on his route....that passing lane would've been wide open.

But then again, Offiss is always right so it doesn't matter.

Holy shit offiss is more off the mark then me trying to piss in the dark while doing jumping jacks. i will make a video if you guys want proof ;)


all kidding aside, portis is pretty damn good, its just
that when you run in max protect, the defence has 9 players in the box and you cant break long runs.

btw, portis had a long run called back for holding and he should've had a running TD but a cornerback tripped up samuels... A CORNERBACK!!!

Tatum Bell isn't half the total package that Portis is. Portis is a pure runner that can block and catch. Bell is a basically scatback that can't run without a hole, that was lucky enough to be drafted by Denver. Not to take anything away from his ability, but Washington always has more trouble with shifty backs than they do with hard runners.

Identity Theft is something we all need to be careful about. Someone's been using your username Offiss.

http://www.thewarpath.net/showpost.php?p=106191&postcount=72

(no mention of Gibbs there, just how awful Brunell is)

http://www.thewarpath.net/showpost.php?p=108209&postcount=18

"This garbage that all of sudden Brunell is a big time QB again is just that garbage, in almost 2 games he's had exactly 4 minutes of good QB play, in fact you can probably encorperate last season and find that after last years Dallas game he's had exactly 4 minutes of good QB play period."

http://www.thewarpath.net/showpost.php?p=108694&postcount=98

"Anyone who wants to put there faith in Brunells miracle 4 minutes can, good luck if you think that will happen again, the real Brunell showed up for 56 minutes, and couldn't have recieved more luck in the final 4 minutes if he paid off the defense himself."

http://www.thewarpath.net/showpost.php?p=97071&postcount=5

"I would like to take this time to reapologize to Brunell, YOU STILL STINK!"

Too lazy to look for other examples. I know you haven't been thrilled with Gibbs' playcalling and his use (or lack thereof) of Ramsey, the kid with the 200 IQ. But you have laid the blame on Brunell's feet many times. Basically saying that he's washed-up and could no longer be an effective starter.

But really, it's ok to admit you're wrong. You've been wrong before, for example (http://www.thewarpath.net/showpost.php?p=13338&postcount=1) As have I. I thought Ohalete was going to be a fixture on this team for many years and Bowen would be gone. Guess what. I was wrong. See, it's really not that hard to say. I don't come with "I've always maintained..." or "The problem wasn't Ohalete" or "What had happened was..." No, just "I was wrong"

You've been right before and you've been wrong before. And I will bet that in the future you'll be right some more times and you'll be wrong. It wouldn't hurt to just admit it once in a while

Identity Theft is something we all need to be careful about. Someone's been using your username Offiss.

http://www.thewarpath.net/showpost.php?p=106191&postcount=72

(no mention of Gibbs there, just how awful Brunell is)

http://www.thewarpath.net/showpost.php?p=108209&postcount=18

"This garbage that all of sudden Brunell is a big time QB again is just that garbage, in almost 2 games he's had exactly 4 minutes of good QB play, in fact you can probably encorperate last season and find that after last years Dallas game he's had exactly 4 minutes of good QB play period."

http://www.thewarpath.net/showpost.php?p=108694&postcount=98

"Anyone who wants to put there faith in Brunells miracle 4 minutes can, good luck if you think that will happen again, the real Brunell showed up for 56 minutes, and couldn't have recieved more luck in the final 4 minutes if he paid off the defense himself."

http://www.thewarpath.net/showpost.php?p=97071&postcount=5

"I would like to take this time to reapologize to Brunell, YOU STILL STINK!"

Too lazy to look for other examples. I know you haven't been thrilled with Gibbs' playcalling and his use (or lack thereof) of Ramsey, the kid with the 200 IQ. But you have laid the blame on Brunell's feet many times. Basically saying that he's washed-up and could no longer be an effective starter.

But really, it's ok to admit you're wrong. You've been wrong before, for example (http://www.thewarpath.net/showpost.php?p=13338&postcount=1) As have I. I thought Ohalete was going to be a fixture on this team for many years and Bowen would be gone. Guess what. I was wrong. See, it's really not that hard to say. I don't come with "I've always maintained..." or "The problem wasn't Ohalete" or "What had happened was..." No, just "I was wrong"

You've been right before and you've been wrong before. And I will bet that in the future you'll be right some more times and you'll be wrong. It wouldn't hurt to just admit it once in a while

pwned

Damn TAFKAS you are so l33t.

Damn TAFKAS you are so l33t.

:confused: um....thanks? Jeez, just when I was figuring out what "pwned" meant you crazy 80s born kids, come up with more crazy lingo.

brunell could NOT have run it in, he was over 6 yards out an at least 2 faster LBs would have had a very good (unblocked) shot at knocking him out. I must have watched that replay about 10 times now.

and seriously, comparsions between a 4800yrd runner and a sub-700 yard runner after one good game is crazy... I mean, portis was gimped on the first play, couldn't rush to the outside (his strength) and had a 25+ yarder called back an still got 103 rushing and ~ 30 catching while throwing vicious blocks on linebackers.

Portis is a better leader, and blocker than bell for sure, and if he's a system back, how come he got 1300 last year and is on pace 1464 this year? (his "system back" counterpart is on pace for under 1200).

His contract is hefty, but bailey's is even worse, and i'm not sure there were any better offers on the table.