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Schneed10 10-11-2005, 10:14 AM Moves made under Joe Gibbs:
Traded for:
Mark Brunell
James Thrash
Clinton Portis
Santana Moss
Drafted:
Sean Taylor
Chris Cooley
Carlos Rogers
Jason Campbell
Signed:
Marcus Washington
Cornelius Griffin
Shawn Springs
Walt Harris
David Patten
Pierson Prioleau
Traded Away:
Rod Gardner
Laveraneus Coles
Champ Bailey
Numerous undrafted free agents.
Questions answered:
Do we miss Champ? No.
Do we miss Smoot? No.
Do we miss Antonio Pierce? Maybe just a little, but Marshall is a much better value.
Were the WRs upgraded? Yes, Moss is better than Coles.
Has the game passed Gibbs by? NO WAY.
And most importantly, should we change the current GM alignment where Gibbs makes the calls with input from Cerrato, his coaches, and heavy input from Gregg Williams? NO.
TheMalcolmConnection 10-11-2005, 10:21 AM You could have just said "I told you so." ;)
Seriously though, very good points. I've never really entered into the "Gibbs shouldn't be GM" debate, but if the above is any indication, you MIGHT say he's made some winning moves.
gortiz 10-11-2005, 10:26 AM Moves made under Joe Gibbs:
Traded for:
Mark Brunell
James Thrash
Clinton Portis
Santana Moss
Drafted:
Sean Taylor
Chris Cooley
Carlos Rogers
Jason Campbell
Signed:
Marcus Washington
Cornelius Griffin
Shawn Springs
Walt Harris
David Patten
Pierson Prioleau
Traded Away:
Rod Gardner
Laveraneus Coles
Champ Bailey
Numerous undrafted free agents.
Questions answered:
Do we miss Champ? No.
Do we miss Smoot? No.
Do we miss Antonio Pierce? Maybe just a little, but Marshall is a much better value.
Were the WRs upgraded? Yes, Moss is better than Coles.
Has the game passed Gibbs by? NO WAY.
And most importantly, should we change the current GM alignment where Gibbs makes the calls with input from Cerrato, his coaches, and heavy input from Gregg Williams? NO.
People are really sleeping on the team that Joe has assembled, don't forget, Nemo is lurking around back there, who knows when he will break out, I'm sure people didn't think Willie Parker would do much ... so lets wait and see.
#56fanatic 10-11-2005, 10:32 AM The moves most if not all of us questioned last year, seem to be the right ones. I like Portis alot, I think he is a good back, but what if we traded for Alexander instead, and still had the 2nd round pick, or what if we gave Bailey the cash and used Betts as the primary RB. I dont know if it would make a difference or not, but I have thought about that for a while. But I do agree on everything else, great draft picks, good deals w/ Moss. and the free agent pick ups last year for the D have been next to genious.
Nice summary there Schneed10, once you see all the moves layed out like that it's tough to argue that the personnel moves haven't been very good. I guess my only complaint would be with our later round picks, we've wiffed on a few like McCune, Newberry, Wilson, etc.
I'd add that we miss Smoot a little, but only because of our injuries. If Harris was 100% then no I don't think we miss Smooty at all.
That Guy 10-11-2005, 11:00 AM you left out a lot of moves too ;) and right now i'd say we ARE missing champ and smoot, at least, we were on sunday.
Overall its more positives than negatives, we still throw away draft picks too easily and we gave brunell a bigger contract than he asked for (how often does that happen? "I'd like a 5mill bonus sir"... 'HERE, TAKE 8!!!!!').
fiore, vaughn, barrow, letting wilds go so we could start the ade, wasting our draft picks on people that didn't even make the roster... big lavar contract so he can warm the bench.
the bad moves are fairly inconsequential now that brunell has stepped up. But we've still overspent (though not AS zealously) in many cases.
I don't recall Brunell only asking for $5M... either way I think the hype over his contract is really overblown anyway.
On the surface it was a 7 year deal for $43M with a bonus of $8.6M.
The deal will essentially be a 3 year deal for approx. $10M and we'll end up eating about $4.9M of his bonus.
#56fanatic 10-11-2005, 11:29 AM thats just it, we eat so much money on these contracts. Coles we ate about 9mil, and with all the LaVar stuff it sounds like we are going to eat aprox. 12mil. what about Brunell, which will be around 4 or 5 mil. This is why I think we need to have a GM or someone more familiar with the cap than Joe. Trotter we ate a bit of that contract too. Not saying Joe can not do this, but somebody that has been in the league the last 5 to 10 years may have a better grasp of the Cap and how it works. And how to spend money WISELY. We all know Dan and Vinny live in a fantasy football world and it is going to catch up with us eventually, like in two years.
Moves made under Joe Gibbs:
Traded for:
Mark Brunell
James Thrash
Clinton Portis
Santana Moss
Drafted:
Sean Taylor
Chris Cooley
Carlos Rogers
Jason Campbell
Signed:
Marcus Washington
Cornelius Griffin
Shawn Springs
Walt Harris
David Patten
Pierson Prioleau
Traded Away:
Rod Gardner
Laveraneus Coles
Champ Bailey
Numerous undrafted free agents.
Questions answered:
Do we miss Champ? No.
Do we miss Smoot? No.
Do we miss Antonio Pierce? Maybe just a little, but Marshall is a much better value.
Were the WRs upgraded? Yes, Moss is better than Coles.
Has the game passed Gibbs by? NO WAY.
And most importantly, should we change the current GM alignment where Gibbs makes the calls with input from Cerrato, his coaches, and heavy input from Gregg Williams? NO.
Killer Post S10. It's easy in the heat of battle to to debate all the "stupid moves Gibbs made". We rarely look back to measure those moves in hindsight! Looks much different than they did a couple of months ago!!!!!!!!!!!!
thats just it, we eat so much money on these contracts. Coles we ate about 9mil, and with all the LaVar stuff it sounds like we are going to eat aprox. 12mil. what about Brunell, which will be around 4 or 5 mil. This is why I think we need to have a GM or someone more familiar with the cap than Joe. Trotter we ate a bit of that contract too. Not saying Joe can not do this, but somebody that has been in the league the last 5 to 10 years may have a better grasp of the Cap and how it works. And how to spend money WISELY. We all know Dan and Vinny live in a fantasy football world and it is going to catch up with us eventually, like in two years.
Gibbs doesn't handle the cap stuff, that's Snyder's department.
People have been saying for years now that the cap will "catch up" with us, well Snyder has been running the team and managing the cap pretty well since 1999. Where is this salary cap hell?? The answer is it's not going to happen because Snyder actually has a clue when it comes to managing the cap and he always has a 3 year plan in place. They know when they sign someone how it's going to effect the cap down the road and they structure the contracts accordingly.
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