The Dirtbags

The O line has been doing a good job. We only gave up 1 sack last week and that was in the 1st quarter. We need to be able to run the ball. If they want Brunell to last a season, they need to open some holes. The passing game looks alot better than last year, but I dont see a lot of different things in the run game. I dont see us running the zone runs that they were suppose to put in this offseason, no sweeps, very few if any screens. Portis is our playmaker w/ moss. We are getting the ball to Moss enough, but Portis is just not getting the ball in space where he is dangerous. maybe thats something that will come with time, but it hasn't yet.

Holding is an art, and dont tell me your lines have never held 5Rings.

what are you doing showing your face on a Redskins website. The helmut NOT having a star on it should send a clue. Dont even talk trash on this site. You are not welcomed here. I didn't see any of those Dallas d-lineman getting past Jansen. Man, Jansen could be on one crutch and still hold off your team. get real, find a Dallas site!

what are you doing showing your face on a Redskins website. The helmut NOT having a star on it should send a clue. Dont even talk trash on this site. You are not welcomed here. I didn't see any of those Dallas d-lineman getting past Jansen. Man, Jansen could be on one crutch and still hold off your team. get real, find a Dallas site!

I wasn't talking trash, I was talking about holding in the entire N-F-L.

Actually, that helmEt with a star comes from an option on this site, so I think the creators of this site envisioned something more than 1000 posts that say GO SKINS!!!!! And Skins 16-0!! WOOO!!

Holding is an art, and dont tell me your lines have never held 5Rings.

I just think that the amount of holding means that guys who are Massive can latch onto DLinemen and slow them up. If we got rid of the excessive holding then maybe OLines would not be averaging over 310 lbs in the league. In general I think that offensive line play has gone downhill since the late eighties and early nineties.

what was the deciding factor is that d-line man back in those days were so small, 270 to 280lbs, and when the hoggs for example, jacoby was the biggest and he was 300 or 310. when the dline man started getting bigger the oline man had to adjust to make it in the NFL. the only team I see that is the exception to that rule is the broncos and maybe KC. They use alot of stretch plays that uses the lines athletic ability rather than brute strength. That wont fly in the NFC east. you know it and I know it. thats why these teams are getting LBs that can run like DBs. They can cover alot of ground. and these safeties now are huge. Taylor is LB size and runs like a corner. The whole NFL is getting bigger. But you have got to have speed in todays NFL defenses.

I for one do think it's retarded that there is an option to have a cowboys helmet for an avatar on this site.

I don't come here to trash talk with the likes of you. I come here to discuss with fellow Redskins fans, KNOWLEDGABLE FANS. If you eliminated all grabbing of any kind from the game, like you're suggesting, scores would be 3-0, 7-3, 6-3 every single game in every single week. You know nothing.

i havn't even said anything about all the grabbing. I think there are foolish holding penalties called in the NFL. But you have to call the obvious ones. They are trying to eliminate the holding and contact with the DBs to increase scoring, dont know if that has worked yet haven't read any stats to support it. There is now way you can try and stop holding and pulling down, there would be a penalty on every play if they did call the holding and pulling down that goes on. I think they do a pretty decent job for what they have to deal with on the field. I wouldn't want to be out there with 300lb+ line man running at me, linebackers running over me to get to the ball. QBs throwing darts at my head to hit the receiver across the middle. Oh, sorry you aren't talking to #56 fanatic are you, you talking to DALLAS guy right? if your talking to me, then refer to the above.

i havn't even said anything about all the grabbing. I think there are foolish holding penalties called in the NFL. But you have to call the obvious ones. They are trying to eliminate the holding and contact with the DBs to increase scoring, dont know if that has worked yet haven't read any stats to support it. There is now way you can try and stop holding and pulling down, there would be a penalty on every play if they did call the holding and pulling down that goes on. I think they do a pretty decent job for what they have to deal with on the field. I wouldn't want to be out there with 300lb+ line man running at me, linebackers running over me to get to the ball. QBs throwing darts at my head to hit the receiver across the middle. Oh, sorry you aren't talking to #56 fanatic are you, you talking to DALLAS guy right? if your talking to me, then refer to the above.

Sorry I should have quoted him. Yes, I was talking to 5Rings.

[ If you eliminated all grabbing of any kind from the game, like you're suggesting, scores would be 3-0, 7-3, 6-3 every single game in every single week. You know nothing.[/QUOTE]

When I watch a Football game, I love to focus on what I consider to be the heart of the Sport and that is line play.

To me there is nothing like watching a pulling Guard bend a Blitzer in half with a well angled and well timed block. When a lineman holds - and here I am talking about pulling a D lineman down or sideways after the o lineman has been beat, I am not talking about grabbing his pads over his chet an locking the man down tight - all it means is that he has been beat. How many holding calls negate long runs and scoring plays because an O lineman got beat and held his opponent? Denver is constantly drafting and TEACHING O linemen how to play in space and move their feet while it seems most everybody else just draft miniature Apt buildings and teaches them how to hold and not get caught.