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offiss 04-13-2004, 09:26 PM OK enough of this nonesense! You can't believe everything you hear, break down this rumor's logically, 1 Gibb's has stated time and again how important it is to have two QB's who can lead a team, why then would he give up ramsey? that was the idea behind getting brunell, so we would have 2 QB's capable of leading this team, 2 Samuel's said tonight on comcast that he want's to be a redskin and want's to play for Gibb's, as well as he has said that he and his agent have spoken to cerratto and have been told personally that it's all rumor's, This sound's a lot more like reality then what has been circulating on the rumor mill, giving up Samuel's the #5 and maybe another pick? sound's more like raider propaganda if you ask me!
SKINSnCANES 04-13-2004, 09:30 PM Redo Samuels contract. Keep number five. And trade Trotter, Gardner, Betts, Iffy, next years picks if you want to get other picks this year. And then hope it all works out, that we have depth and that we can make a big run this year with all the talent.
skinsfanthru&thru 04-13-2004, 10:02 PM Ramsey has Rivers beat in arm strength, but Rivers surpasses Ramsey in accuracy (hit receivers on the run constantly) and his mental strength. Rivers can read a defense like it was a practice squad and has somewhat similar drive and determination to what Ramsey showed last year. And I agree, as much as I like Ramsey, if he's not gonna be playing for probably 2 years, why not get a younger QB to mold and possibly another pick or 2.
Shane 04-13-2004, 10:03 PM Ramsey:
To me it is a question mark as to whether Ramsey is going to be a good camper about riding the bench for a couple of years - or more. The competition is open but Brunell is likely to win with his experience. Coach Gibbs may well want to keep Ramsey if he is willing to be an apprentice in that event - but may well want to trade Ramsey if he is showing signs of being an unhappy camper who will disrupt team harmony, subtly or openly.
Upshot: I think that Ramsey will not be a happy camper and that the Redskins will look to trade him.
Samuels:
Samuels has an enormous cap figure for this year of course, and the indications are that he is not willing to restructure. I don't know about this business of creating contracts that are really just for PR purposes but whom people don't really think will be paid out. But his contract is huge, and given our salary situation, if we can get Gallery and not give up too much more than Samuels to do it, we may want to make that move.
Upshot:
I think the Redskins will try to trade Samuels.
Rod Gardner:
We have a lot of wide receivers on our team but it would be a risk to go into the season without Gardner. We don't know if Jacobs will hold up or how he will do, and we don't know if McCants will fit comfortably into the #2 WR position. However, if we intend to draft Kellen Winslow, then Gardner is more expendable because we sign a dangerous receiving tight end, and probably one of the other receivers can get the job done in the #2 slot, especially with defenses worried about Coles and Winslow. Also, trading Gardner now means that we will get something for him before he goes to free agency next year.
Upshot:
Gardner is quite possibly going to be traded.
If we trade to San Diego, as in one theory supposedly heard on a NY radio station yesterday, we may give up Samuels, Gardner, and Ramsey and a 5th round pick this year for Drew Brees, the #1 pick this year, and San Diego's #1 pick in 2005. We keep our #5 pick and get the #1 pick. We draft Gallery and possibly Winslow or Taylor.
That is a move I would make.
SKINSnCANES 04-13-2004, 10:06 PM Apparently Samuels has met with Cerrato and said he wants to be a Redskin and to not listen to the rumors. We are going to have a lot of mute point conversation in the next week as the rumors fly. But it should be fun, we'll see what happens.
skinsfanthru&thru 04-13-2004, 10:09 PM I'd take that trade in a heartbeat shane. we could then trade down the chargers pick, possibly a couple times, and pick up new 2nd round picks and a new young QB to have Brunnel and Gibbs train. Or maybe just draft gallery and then also trade or keep the 1st round pick next year of San Diego and trotter or our own future picks to get another 1st rounder this year and take a lb to play the middle like vilma or a replacement for Ramsey. No matter what we should still select Taylor with our pick.
SKINSnCANES 04-13-2004, 10:17 PM if we could get the numer one pick without getting rid of five they should trade it no matter what to accumulate a bunch of picks in the middle of the round. The only problem is if they give up Samules, because you create a hole then.
Sheriff Gonna Getcha 04-14-2004, 01:40 AM I obviously worship Ramsey, however I think that Rivers is going to be as good as Eli Manning. Rivers has Ramsey beat hands-down in terms of his accuracy and he isn't getting the attention he deserves because he has a funny, yet very effective, throwing style.
When you factor in the fact that trading Ramsey would bring us more picks, I say trade him if San Diego is willing to offer their #1 for Ramsey, Samuels, and Gardner.
Dave Butz Baby! 04-14-2004, 02:23 AM Does it really surprise anyone to hear Ramsey's name come up again in trade rumors? The second you hear Chris Samuels' name (contract renegotiations/trade), Ramsey's is sure to follow since they have the same agent, Jimmy Sexton. I remember reading that when Brunell was signed, Sexton wanted a trade for Ramsey and was said to have "leverage" to get it done, since the Skins wanted to rework Samuels' contract.
Sexton/Samuels said no to reworking the deal, and now the Skins are very possibly considering trading away the "leverage" that Sexton had. If that does happen, Sexton's got nothing to bargain with and Ramsey's going nowhere.
It's interesting to watch different players with the same agents go through somewhat simlilar sets of circumstances, especially players on the same team.
Does anyone know if there is a comprehensive list online anywhere with players and their respective agents? Like with seemingly many of the Poston's representees (LaVar, Orlando Pace, Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, etc etc etc) and their exploits, it's interesting to see who doesn't show up for camp or raises a stink over contracts and which agents they have.
Maybe owners should just start blackballing certain ones!
saden1 04-14-2004, 02:50 AM I have no faith in the Redskin managment.I no longer have any emotional reaction one way or another during the off season. I have that do as you bloody wish mentality.
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