Ramsey and McCants

Very true. No one can ever call Gibbs a pansy over this.

and he even threw in a firing just to prove they're really brass.

Very true.

I know I won't appease everyone, I just wanted to kind of put things in perspective since tempers have run high recently.

This is all part of the healing process. :grouphug:

celts32:

That decision to "toss in the towel on a QB taken in the first round" is made even harder by the fact that Danny Boy claims credit for "discovering" Ramsey at Tulane and making sure he was taken with the Skins' first pick. People don't like the decision to bench Ramesy; but on that level, what Gibbs is doing takes a huge set of onions. He's telling the omniscient Danny Boy that the QB he discovered and fawned over for several years just isn't quite good enough to get the job done here.

Anyone else want to bring that kind of news to Danny Boy when he controls your paycheck and benefits? If so, I hope you have the unemployment office on speed dial...

Great point. I didnt really see it as a clash at the top, but perhaps thats what it is. Fact is, Ramsey may still be a good qb in this league but that probably won't happen in dc. It may be a minor consolation, but I do recall that Danny Boy wanted Moss over Gardner so at least he got his wish on that regard.

McCants had to go, true he's a good red zone target and proved that with 6 tds in 2003, but he's the 4th wideout and he doesn't play special teams which is a huge no-no. No crying about him leaving.

Ramsey didn't get a fair shot, but given Brunell's age and injury history I'd say it is only a matter of time.

Only Joe Gibbs would be able to get away with that kind of move. He's the only coach that Dan Snyder adores that much. He grew up as one of his biggest fans. He respects Gibbs enough to actually let him run the show, where as the other coaches he didn't.

Totally agree with you Mephisskin on D'Mack. Everyone talks about him being so great in the red-zone as a receiver, but what I want to know is what is he going to do when we're not in the red-zone. I cannot see a roster spot for a player whose only going to see the field when we get in the red-zone. No ST "nothing" just catch passes when we get down deep, I don't think so, and that's why he's not here.

celts32:

That decision to "toss in the towel on a QB taken in the first round" is made even harder by the fact that Danny Boy claims credit for "discovering" Ramsey at Tulane and making sure he was taken with the Skins' first pick. People don't like the decision to bench Ramesy; but on that level, what Gibbs is doing takes a huge set of onions. He's telling the omniscient Danny Boy that the QB he discovered and fawned over for several years just isn't quite good enough to get the job done here.

Anyone else want to bring that kind of news to Danny Boy when he controls your paycheck and benefits? If so, I hope you have the unemployment office on speed dial...


agreed.

Right, which basically brings me to the point that we all get a little emotionally attached to our first round picks.

A PERFECT EXAMPLE = Rod Gardner

Another person who is shockingly similar to Ramsey. 1st round pick, not panning out so well, but each one of us called for him to be given another year, myself included.

Once we get past the emotional attachment, it won't be so bad.

I used to have an emotional attachment to Ramsey, but at this point I am about ready to pass the beer nuts on him. For whatever reason he just has not progressed and Gibbs has seen enough...

From today's Washington Post,

Yesterday, the only question Ramsey declined to answer concerned his turnover issues (two touchdowns and four interceptions) during preseason games. Ramsey was intercepted once Sunday by the Chicago Bears and, according to another offensive starter who requested anonymity, that interception -- on Ramsey's second pass of the game -- occurred when a receiver ran the wrong route, adding to Ramsey's frustration about the decision.

So Ramsey Bashers, and Brunell believers, what do you have to say now? I don't think a single person on this forum even entertained the possibility that the WR ran the wrong route and suprise the pass looks bad, when the WR is not there! I am glad the players are coming out, for now there is a record and no way in hell should Gibbs be given nine games of Brunell to ruin the season AGAIN! Someone, and most likely it will have to be Snyder is going to have to have to say something. This is why we need a GM, like said before Gibbs coach GOOD, Gibbs coach & GM BAD.

I used to have an emotional attachment to Ramsey, but at this point I am about ready to pass the beer nuts on him. For whatever reason he just has not progressed and Gibbs has seen enough...

I wish more people would admit that emotion is what is holding Ramsey so dear to them.

I went back and watched most of the Bears game last night, and while Ramsey did look good at times, he also looked pretty bad at others. He fired several overthrows and just doesn't look very decisive at times.

That's pretty much been the book on him his entire career. He's inconsistent. He'll thrill you on one play and kill you the next. He's the kind of QB that drives Gibbs crazy.

I just don't see why there's such an uproar over this. As bad as Brunell was last year, Ramsey was only slightly better.

Ramsey seems like a good guy, and he's a very likable guy. I think we really wanted him to succeed, but right now Gibbs feels that a change would be beneficial to the team, so let's roll with that for now and see where it takes us. I really don't see what we have to lose.

Right and for those who say, "Well Ramsey threw for 100+ yards." remember that many of those yards came on a 10-yard pattern that Moss TURNED into a 50+ yard gainer.