Ramsey/Brunell: a closer look

It's tempting to keep playing Ramsey because when he has time to throw he'll gash the defense. But no offensive line is perfect and we shouldn't expect them to be. One fumble per game is too many, but two in 19 minutes?? The line must be drawn somewhere. The tone must be set: WE DON'T TOLERATE TURNOVERS ON THIS TEAM.

duante fumbles all the time, so does vick... ;) you're right about the turnovers though, we don't tolerate them... unless it brunell making them. he had bad fumbles last year.

Those 19 minutes resulted in one interception on a badly thrown ball, and two fumbles. Luckily only one was recovered by the Bears.

In the NFL these days, you can't sit in the pocket and wait and wait and wait. In the NFL now, the pass rush is coming. Be it in the form of Jevon Kearse, Michael Strahan, Demarcus Ware, or a host of blitzing LBs and safeties. Defenses bring the house nowadays. You can't sit and wait for it, you have to get rid of the ball. That has always been Ramsey's #1 problem, and we can't wait for that to change any longer. He should have shown progress by now.

yeah Ramsey waited way too long when he got clotheslined.??

I'm gonna keep this short and simple. This is how I feel about the whole Brunell/Ramsey situation. I know most of you won't agree, but hey this is why we're here to discuss the Skins.

Ramsey still isn't comfortable in the pocket. He still makes rookie mistakes. Granted he can get the ball downfield, but theres a risk with turning the ball over everytime he throws it. He still can't read defenses. At least Brunell will make smart decisions....and thats all you can ask for. We don't need Peyton Manning or Brett Favre or Tom Brady. We just need someone to help the offense move the ball. We have a solid o-line and a great running game. The defense as we all know....will do its job.

So I agree with Coach Gibbs on this one. Hats off to him for having the balls to doing it so quickly. I think he just got tired of all the turnovers.

it's more than probable Gibbs just holds a great deal of pride in choosing his own team leader. Ramsey was always the red-headed stepchild, and this 20 minute "start" just proves he doesn't really want to build with him. as if Campbell wasn't proof enough.

Now THAT is just B.S. Gibbs inherited Joey T and made a fine QB out of him. Don't overanalyze this as a "personal" decision.

duante fumbles all the time, so does vick... ;) you're right about the turnovers though, we don't tolerate them... unless it brunell making them. he had bad fumbles last year.

Brunell's fumbles last year were more a function of the horrible offensive line. The line couldn't block anyone at the beginning of the year. It wasn't like he held onto the ball forever and the pass rush eventually got to him. The line let the pass rush in and he just never had time to begin with. That's the difference, when the line gives Brunell time he doesn't make mistakes like that. Ramsey still has a tendency to do that, even when the line gives him enough time.

yeah Ramsey waited way too long when he got clotheslined.??

I can't fault him for that one. You're right. Brunell would have gotten sacked there too and may have fumbled as well.

But the other one, where Ramsey just sat there and sat there and sat there until the Bears sacked him and forced the fumble, that's all Ramsey's fault. Lucky for him Jansen and Rabach jumped on it, but had the ball bounced another way it could have been Bears ball.

duante fumbles all the time, so does vick... ;) you're right about the turnovers though, we don't tolerate them... unless it brunell making them. he had bad fumbles last year.

And how many Super Bowls or even NFC championships do they have between them?

Turnovers not only kill drives, they kill morale which can cost a game or even a season. You spend too much time just wondering "when" the next one will happen.

the point is, Ramsey was clearly the better option last year, and Gibbs didn't take it. he saw something in Brunell too, he didn't turn any corner, but he stayed with him and it killed our season. that proved he was fallible, and is the only reason we're questioning him now. it's not emotion, it's *recent memory*.

10 games was too way too long last year but 19 minutes??

Do you really think his decision was based soley on the Chicago game?

I'm gonna keep this short and simple. This is how I feel about the whole Brunell/Ramsey situation. I know most of you won't agree, but hey this is why we're here to discuss the Skins.

Ramsey still isn't comfortable in the pocket. He still makes rookie mistakes. Granted he can get the ball downfield, but theres a risk with turning the ball over everytime he throws it. He still can't read defenses. At least Brunell will make smart decisions....and thats all you can ask for. We don't need Peyton Manning or Brett Favre or Tom Brady. We just need someone to help the offense move the ball. We have a solid o-line and a great running game. The defense as we all know....will do its job.

So I agree with Coach Gibbs on this one. Hats off to him for having the balls to doing it so quickly. I think he just got tired of all the turnovers.

That's why I've been trying to say all along. Let's make some room here on the Brunell Bandwagon for Redskins_P

I can't fault him for that one. You're right. Brunell would have gotten sacked there too and may have fumbled as well.

But the other one, where Ramsey just sat there and sat there and sat there until the Bears sacked him and forced the fumble, that's all Ramsey's fault. Lucky for him Jansen and Rabach jumped on it, but had the ball bounced another way it could have been Bears ball.

so that one chance was all he deserved after last season? 7 minutes to catch his regular season rhythm? thats just not rational.

everyone has to agree this is just based on Gibbs' instinct at this point. the same instinct that was proven wrong last year. it's early in his first couple years of his comeback, he was wrong last season, he could be wrong again.