Official Bench Ramsey / Start Brunell Thread

Here's the telling stat that gives a healthy Ramsey another start:

Mark Brunell yards per attempt: 5.00

Patrick Ramsey yards per attempt: 9.55

If stretching out the field is what you intend to do - and the acquisition of speed receivers coupled with a desire to run outside says that it is - you go with the guy that threatens to stretch the field, not with the guy who averages nearly half his yards.
agreed.

This all reminds me so much of the early 70's when we had Sonny & Billy. Sonny & Billy stickers, some want Sonny, some want Billy. Right now we are in a situation where neither QB can be counted on to successfully get the job done, hence all the confusion. I'm still waiting for one of the two to emerge as the leader, but from what I've seen through four pre-season games, and the first reg-season game it looks very much like 04-05 all over again.

where's the other category cause if were going to leave in the human turnover machine in ramsey. i would rather start J.C. i do not see us making the playoffs with our anemic offense. i'd rather have J.C. ready for next year then have to wait another year of development.

Gibbs stuck with Brunell last season through hell and highwater, retarding Ramseys growth as a QB, I personally believe Gibbs is partly looking for an excuse to explain away HIS inability to really coordiante a consistant passing game.

Mark my words all the guy's here who want to see Brunell in there will be calling for his head after 1 game, once they see him throwing the ball away, and 3 and out over and over again, I say start Brunell next week against the cowboys, it seems Brunell fails against the average defenses and Ramseys gets judged against the elite defenses while moveing the ball FAR better than Brunell on every occasion, I say lets get this over with once and for all.

Did anyone see the locker room interview with Brunell? When he was asked about his INT that was called back? He laughed and said he was trying to throw it 10 more yards downfield but he wasen't warmed up enough, WASEN'T WARMED UP ENOUGH????????? He came in mid way through the second quarter, is he telling me that he doesn't warm up before a game? Sounds to me like another excuse for Brunell, whether it comes from Gibbs or his own mouth, how does a veteran not be ready after a quarter and a half.

I also like the excuses Gibbs is trying to congure up about last year when the trainers came to him and said Brunell would be out for 2 weeks minimum after he hurt himself in the Giant game, but because Brunell told him he could go and he played him regardless, essentilly saying thats why Brunell failed last year because of an injury, forgetting he did nothing before the injury either. Now we are to believe he wont play Ramsey if he isn't 100% healthy when all he preaches is we need guys to play through injuries? Be tough and fight their guts out? Sorry but whether Ramsey succeed's or not, he really is being unfairly mistreated and scapegoated by Gibbs.


What's worse an ocaasional INT by Ramsey which I believe with time he will overcome, and have him move the ball up and down the field wearing the defense down, or watch Brunell throwing the ball away on third downs and constant 3 and out's leaving our defense on the field?

I will say it one more time 70 yards and no TD's in 2 1/2 quarters is this the QB of our future? Take a good look at those numbers because they are right inline with Brunells numbers last year!

Great balls of fire!!!

Minnesota needs to Bench Culpepper did you see those awful plays interceptions fumbles and lost the damn game!! BENCH HIM! Sarcastic

Brett Farve Interception after interception and lost the game. BENCH HIM Sarcastic

Chad Pennington 6 fumbles and what two interceptions! Bench Him!! You get the picture

You've got to be kidding me we are basing and arguing about a quarterback controversy and we won. This type of inconsistency if they follow through with it and bench Ramsey is what has killed the Redskins in the past several years. So Ramsey has made some mistakes, we have yet to see him this year in a whole game, manage it from the get go. If he can eliminate even some of the mistakes the offense will be more productive than a flawless Brunell. 70 Yards passing in 2 1/2 quarters is ridiculous. If Brunell would play the whole game we would be looking at another monster passing day of barely over a 100 yards. Even your worst of QBS do better than that. I like Brunell as a back up, and pray that Gibbs gives Ramsey the reigns to finally work behind a solid line, good running game, and what appears can be a more effective offense. The bottom line is Quarterbacks in the best of situations have bad games proven in week one. McNabb what two or three years ago had that awful four week stretch and then turned it around and is one of the best in the league, do we have that in Ramsey if he can get comfortable I don't know, but he definitely deserves the chance. Can he be a Trent Green or a Brad Johnson.

i like ramsey i even have his jersey, but this turn over thing has got to stop.throw it away, do that one thing and we wouldn't even be discussing this. the only reason i would say brunell above ramsey this weeken is the rush is going to be nuts. and ol lead foot is going to be hit.

Okay, if everyone is so Ramsey afraid is gonna fumble or throw the game away with INT's we will never have to worry about that with Brunell. Because if we ever face a team who puts up 21 points we won't be in the damn game. That's fine though, it's the reason the Redskins are a losing franchise now. Everyone wants to "win now." Problem is with Brunell, we're not gonna win. If Brunell plays the way he did this week against Dallas and Dallas's O plays anywhere near the level they did we're gonna get torched. I would rather Ramsey come in and throw 20 picks on downfield balls then watch Brunell get off of the pocket and throw the ball out of bounds on third downs.

I'll agree, the pick Ramsey threw was horrendous. The sack that forced the first fumble was probably his fault, but we got it back. The last sack that he lost was all the offensive line's fault. He didn't even finish his drop before his head got taken off. I don't wanna hear, oh Jansen's thumb, to hell with that. They got Ramsey killed. He didn't have time to get out of the way, the same damn thing would have happened to Brunell, but they didn't pressure Brunell. And they didn't need to. The reason I don't like Brunell? He was on pace to throw for about 120 yards on the day. That is terrible.

Next week we get Dallas and Demarcus Ware who looks like a beast. He's gonna eat up which ever QB we have in so I don't know how much I care who starts. I know one thing, if Brunell starts, they won't win. Just like last year when he started on Monday Night and everyone wanted to swear up and down that it wasn't his fault the Skins lost the game, but hey, he looked good against a whole bunch of guys who don't even play football now in the preseason...and he got hurt last year, so he never really got a fair shake. When does Patrick get a fair shake? When he leaves town? We can start Brunell and have the exact same year as last year or we could take a chance on Ramsey and see if maybe we can stop drafting in the top 10.

Bottom line: There's more potential to build a winning team with Ramsey, but nobody cares because Brunell doesn't make mistakes. Know what else he doesn't make? Any big plays. Does anyone remember last year? We looked exactly the same Sunday when Brunell was in. If that's what Joe Gibbs is looking for in a QB he needs go back into retirement because he's never gonna win again.

Nothing made me more embarassed to be a Redskins fan then when Ramsey was getting booed by the fans. The game was 0 - 0. Ramsey had thrown a pick...the defense held. The Bears didn't score. The INT basically got wiped away. I do agree Ramsey should protect the ball better, but I think there are times the line needs to protect him better.

I believe that if healthy then Ramsey should be the starter. We will never know what value he is to us-whether as our QB or as trade bait-if we don't give him the opportunity to start on a consistent basis for an extended period of time.

However, two things bother me about what I'm reading (or my interpretation of what I'm reading) on several posts here. It should be remembered that the strength of our team is our defense and our running game. It's as simple as that. So while I enjoy seeing big plays and an exciting aerial attack, the best QB for this team is not necessarily one who's going to be make SportsCenter's Top 10. It's someone who puts the game in the hands of our defense and running game, and doesn't take opportunities away from them. I believe Ramsey is fully capable of being that QB. He doesn't need to be a superstar highlight reel to lead this team. Just a smart QB.

Secondly, I almost get the feeling (and I have a feeling I'm not alone) that some people here won't be happy unless Ramsey is the person at QB, regardless of whether we win. I don't know about the rest of you but first and foremost I'm a Redskins fan, whoever lines up behind center.

As am I. If Brunell can play smart football (I'm confident that right now he plays smarter football than Ramsey) then I think we have a high chance of winning. He just needs to be consistent with his accuracy, but thus far this season, it hasn't really been a problem.