Official Bench Ramsey / Start Brunell Thread

For two straight seasons Gibbs has tried to replace Ramsey--one through FA, the other through the draft (and we overpaid in both cases). That alone should confirm that Ramsey is not Gibbs' guy.
Now lets look at history. Doug Williams was eased in after Jay Schroeder got hurt, while Mark Rypien took Doug Williams' job when he was injured (does anybody remember Williams' tearing up on Channel 9?!?). I will be shocked if it is not Brunell is not tapped to start next week--regardless of how Ramseys neck is...

Moss practically had his jersey ripped off on the play, it was clearly PI, not a return the favor call.

Definitely a real pass interference the defender had a fist full of jersey and dragged Moss to the ground. This was not a make up call this was the only call that a person who has functioning vision could call. So what I'm trying to say is that it is a miracle that the refs in the game got this call right. ;)

I think Gibbs will eventually learn that Brunell won't be a winning QB with our team he may take away mistakes but he makes our offense very one dimensional. The skins have made countless player personnel mistakes in his short tenure. I think we as a team need to realize this or perish Ramsey should be given this year, and if that doesn't work we must go another way. Another way doesn't include Brunnel.

As much as I love Ramsey and would like to see him start next week, I can't really get livid with him if he goes with Brunell. Ramsey's three drives went like this - interception, fumble (recovered) and punt, and fumble (lost).

As much as I love Ramsey and would like to see him start next week, I can't really get livid with him if he goes with Brunell. Ramsey's three drives went like this - interception, fumble (recovered) and punt, and fumble (lost).

I'm with you, I want Ramsey to play and be successful, but the proof is right there, he played 3 series and threw 1 INT and fumbled twice.

I really can't blame Gibbs if he doesn't have 100% confidence in him right now, how can you?

With this defense and running game, the last thing we need is the QB turning it over.

Like it or not, this is the kind of team we are, we're going to win by running the ball and playing hard nosed defense.

Perhaps Brunell is the exact kind of QB we need right now. I don't understand all the hate people still have for him. He played well in the preseason and he was efficient again today. Nothing spectacular, but he didn't turn it over and he converted on some key 3rd downs to keep drives moving.

I'm sorry but you are going to blame Ramsey for the last fumble that he lost when he was linch pinned around the neck? Unfortunately the penately was not called but that certainly can not be blamed on him. That was a serious situation that no person would be able to with stand. Thankfully he was not severely injury (thank goodness). So please, when you are attributing mistakes, reasonably that one should be eliminated from the tally. In addition this was Ramsey's first game and he was bound to be a little nervous. How many chances did Brunell get last year without any production. His arm did not look too wonderful today either, and as far as mistakes, I think that it was rather difficult for Brunell to make many with the conservative offense that the Redskins called (Gibbs called) while he was in there, because of the great production that we were getting from our running backs. Compare that to the relatively fresh defense that Ramsey had to face in the beginning of the game and report back. Ramsey in essence had more success on the Bears, and if he had not sustained that injury would have continued to produce throughout the rest of the game in my opinion.

I'm sorry but you are going to blame Ramsey for the last fumble that he lost when he was linch pinned around the neck? Unfortunately the penately was not called but that certainly can not be blamed on him. That was a serious situation that no person would be able to with stand. Thankfully he was not severely injury (thank goodness). So please, when you are attributing mistakes, reasonably that one should be eliminated from the tally. In addition this was Ramsey's first game and he was bound to be a little nervous. How many chances did Brunell get last year without any production. His arm did not look too wonderful today either, and as far as mistakes, I think that it was rather difficult for Brunell to make many with the conservative offense that the Redskins called (Gibbs called) while he was in there, because of the great production that we were getting from our running backs. Compare that to the relatively fresh defense that Ramsey had to face in the beginning of the game and report back. Ramsey in essence had more success on the Bears, and if he had not sustained that injury would have continued to produce throughout the rest of the game in my opinion.

In the end it doesn't matter if the fumble was his fault or not, in the stat book he fumbled twice and threw an INT.

Look, I'm a Ramsey supporter. I hope he comes back strong and plays well. All I'm saying is it's obvious why Gibbs might not have a ton of confidence in him right now.

If the offensive PI call does not happen (didn't see a replay, so I have no idea what happened) Ramsey on that drive hit a long pass to Moss and a TD to Cooley. There would be no discussion here. In the 2nd half, Portis cam to life. That makes a QBs job easier. There was not much of a running game with Ramsey in there. Brunnell made some clutch 3rd down throws, but so did PR.

The main knock on PR is how long it takes him to read defenses. Brunnell does a better job there. But PR with time is a better passer. Still, Brunnell hit that great roll-out fake reverse play (best call of the game)--not sure Pat can hit that. So both have their strong points. I'd stick with PR. But there is just no doubt that Gibbs feels more comfortable with Brunnell in there--not sure if it's just because he overpaid for him, but really its because he admires Mark as a person, leader, etc. And he ALWAYS went with vets in the past. We'll see.

Gotta score more than 9 points, no matter who is in there. What is wrong with our red zone offense?!?!?! COME ON! That's got to be fixed.

Yeah, my point is that if the penalty was called, as it should have been, as ESPN certainly as well as Gibbs said that should have been called then he never would have fumbled. When you are reviewing those stats, you normally would discount that stat because normally that penalty would be called and the referees say that their main job is to protect the quarterback. Knowing that the circumstance of Ramsey being tackled around the throat would be the exception and not the norm you can not fault him for that particular turnover.

As far as the hit and fumble on Ramsey goes, why are we go backing and forth on how it looks on the stat sheet and so forth? The fact is, he got hit very hard, and he fumbled - that's football!! Should it have been a penalty - of course. It was a very physical game and sometimes, unfortunately, these type of 'hits' get overlooked. The thing to really see here is that it seems like Ramsey has a penchant for these types of errors, whether they are of his own doing or not. And that's the thing the concerns Gibbs the most.

Beyond that, I've been a Ramsey supporter for the most part. But in my opinion, the offfense just runs a little smoother when Brunell is in there. It seems like the defense wasn't keying in on Portis very much and freed him up a little more. He just seems to command the offense a little more.

Now I don't won't to defend Brunell here, but I'm sure this is the most he's played with the first team offense this year. Seeing that Ramsey takes about 90% of the snaps in practice. Maybe, just maybe with a full week of game planning and practicing with the first team, things would have looked a little different for 'Scott' Brunell.

The only way I think Gibbs will solve this QB dillima, that he has created, is to trade either Ramsey or Brunell. And it's very unlikely that he will trade the latter of the two.