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Daseal 04-09-2004, 08:43 AM Fitz isn't even the best receiver in the draft. Roy Williams has been deystroying defenses for four years, and even when that loser Chris Simms was chucking the ball at him he caught them. All of his numbers (40, vert, long, shuttle, etc) beat Fitzgeralds. He has all the intangibles, work ethic, etc.
I still see Fitz as first off the board because he has a close relationship with Dennis Green, but I think Roy Williams is the star of the best WR trio to come out in a long time. Roy, Fitz, Mike (which people, including myself, are kind of skeptical about.) Don't turn this into a Mike WIlliams thread, if you want me to explain, start a new one.
Sean Taylor is an amazing player and I would love to have him!
As far as getting rid of Snyder/Cerrato and handing the draft over to Gibbs... I know you guys look for any possible reason to bash the FO, but if we leave Gibbs alone the chances of us drafting Winslow go way up. He's the one so high on the guy, he's the one that knows his father, he's the one that will pull for him to be drafted. Snyder likes the offense, but offense is exciting and sells tickets, but he hasn't exactly ignored our defense. Pulling in Champ, Smoot, Arrington, Washington, etc. I think he wants talent, Winslow and Taylor both bring plenty of it. EIther way, I'm satisfied. Taylor is slightly higher on my list.
Defensewins 04-09-2004, 05:03 PM Is it just assumptions and rumor that has Gibbs so in love with Winslow Jr.?
The reason I ask is because I have yet to see a single direct quote from Joe Gibbs himself saying, " I think Winslow Jr. is the pussy cats pagama's and favor drafting him." I have yet to much less see a single direct quote from Gibbs saying which players he likes. Can anyone provide one?
Then I will start to rightfully assume that Gibbs prefers Winslow Jr....because until I hear it from Gibbs it sounds more like deductve reasonning from the press and Warpath posts, rather than actual fact.
SKINSnCANES 04-09-2004, 06:04 PM The only thing thats been said was that they wanted to target Winslow or Taylor, said by the redskins FO, mabye gibbs. The rest is just theory about how he coached his rather and yadda yadda
joecrisp 04-09-2004, 07:23 PM Joe Gibbs is very cryptic in his assessments of the players he already has on his roster, so he's not going to come out and say anything directly about any particular player in the draft. The most you're going to get out of him is the standard "he's a very talented young guy", but he's not going to point to any one player and say, "that's the guy I want!"
The belief that Joe Gibbs favors Winslow is based almost entirely on conjecture by the media, who are simply basing their assertions on the fact that Gibbs coached Winslow Sr., the H-back is a key component of his offense, and there isn't a standout player at that position as yet.
For all we know (the media included), Gibbs may be perfectly happy with Sellers, Chamberlain, et al, and the offensive personnel in general, and will yield to Gregg Williams' draft preferences.
Given Winslow's signing with the Poston brothers, the need to solidify the defensive backfield following Champ Bailey's departure-- and the signings of Keyshawn and T.O. by the Cowboys and Eagles-- I would say Taylor is the heavy favorite. But that's purely speculative!
BrudLee 04-09-2004, 10:34 PM Joe Gibbs is very cryptic in his assessments of the players he already has on his roster, so he's not going to come out and say anything directly about any particular player in the draft. The most you're going to get out of him is the standard "he's a very talented young guy", but he's not going to point to any one player and say, "that's the guy I want!"
The belief that Joe Gibbs favors Winslow is based almost entirely on conjecture by the media, who are simply basing their assertions on the fact that Gibbs coached Winslow Sr., the H-back is a key component of his offense, and there isn't a standout player at that position as yet.
For all we know (the media included), Gibbs may be perfectly happy with Sellers, Chamberlain, et al, and the offensive personnel in general, and will yield to Gregg Williams' draft preferences.
Given Winslow's signing with the Poston brothers, the need to solidify the defensive backfield following Champ Bailey's departure-- and the signings of Keyshawn and T.O. by the Cowboys and Eagles-- I would say Taylor is the heavy favorite. But that's purely speculative!
Very good point, Joe - especially about the standout player. But think back to all of the TE/H-backs of Gibbs's first tenure. Though they were integral parts of the offense, the position was not a big number slot. In fact, in the proud history of the franchise, only one TE/H-back is listed among the greatest players - Don Warren. To save you all some time before writing Canton about his omission, his best year was 31 catches, and he never had more than 2 TD's in a season. His 14 year career netted him 8 TD's, including playoffs, and he shared the spotlight for most of his career with Clint Didier (who comparatively had gaudy numbers, with 23 TD's in eight seasons). So it's perfectly reasonable to think Coach Gibbs can get what he wants from the position out of the players currently on his team.
SKINSnCANES 04-10-2004, 01:16 AM Draft Sean Taylor.
skins009 04-10-2004, 11:03 AM I think you can make a very viable argument that Tayler is the best athlete in this draft. His combination of speed, size, and hitting exceed anybody in this draft. Those are just is physial skills. Once you factor in his passion, intensity, natural football insticts, ball hawk ability (10 int) then you've got a player who is gonna redefine the game. The best comparison i read about tayler is that he is the the safety postion, what Ray lewis is to the linebacker positon. I pray to go everynight that Synder drafts tayler.
]<ing 04-13-2004, 05:05 PM Once you factor in his passion, intensity, natural football insticts, ball hawk ability (10 int) then you've got a player who is gonna redefine the game.
I'd say that Ed Reed's already done that, when you factor in his playmaking ability on special teams.
SKINSnCANES 04-13-2004, 06:39 PM Ed Reed is also a beast
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