steveo395
09-03-2005, 12:25 AM
I think that the opportunity to win some "jump balls" is an important one... I don't see many TE's not named Gonzalez thriving in that situation, maybe I'm wrong... Who's our tallest receiver right now?
taylor jacobs....6'0"
BleedBurgundy
09-03-2005, 12:29 AM
That's not going to get it done...
Height doesn't necessarily = TDs.
Moss had 10 TDs in 2003.
Daseal
09-03-2005, 01:37 AM
Matty, earlier you used the whole that was 2 years ago argument. Those TDs were two years ago. Our offense last year actually was able to drive into opponents territory and it just sputtered in the red zone. I have a feeling we're going to have the same problem. We dont have a receiver that you can send out there for a nice corner fade pattern. Many DBs are going to be much taller than our WR's. SPeed is great for the big play, but I'm worried about our red-zone offense and lack of size.
I expect to see Robert Royal / Chris Cooley split out wide with nemo/Sellers playing some H back in those situations.
Well, last year on only 45 catches Moss had 5 scores. Still pretty effective for a short guy.
I think this need for a big WR thing is really overblown.
Besides, most of the time our offense sputtered in the redzone because we couldn't convert short yardage situations. We had Gardner last year, if being tall is all that was needed, why didn't we just toss it to him down there?
There's obviously more to being successful in the redzone than just having a tall WR.
That Guy
09-03-2005, 02:31 AM
TE's don't exactly "spread" the defense to create more opportunities and agreed, you don't need speed (Moss, Patten, Jacobs). you need quickness, to make your defender commit, and physicality, to outmuscle him.
Cooley is a godsend, but we can't be one-dimensional in the redzone. Gibbs has done particulary well with possession type receivers in the past, and not just for the redzone. it's the only thing in this offense that's conspicously missing.
the thing is, when we had DMac, he was the only threat and he was okay, not great... last year we had cooley and gardner, and gardner wasn't getting it done, even though he had almost as many TDs.
I think height is nice, but you can either play or you can't, and our tall guys haven't been able to play, so lets see how the short guys do before spending another 40 posts on this.
They'll prove it to us, one way or the other... there's not much we can do about it now.
illdefined
09-03-2005, 02:14 PM
how often did we even get near in redzone last year? Patten, Moss, Portis and the new line seem they can actually get us there this season. we've always had trouble punching it; there's no denying a physical, clutch (not "50-50") target in the slot or the edge would really open up the defense for Cooley and Portis. it could help Ramsey throw less risky passes in there as well.
it seemed all we had last year was possession receivers, and we never took it downfield. only reason i'm saying all this is because i'm excited about our totally new offense, i think we'll get a lot more scoring opportunities this year. still, having a collection of speedsters and not having an Art Monk type on the roster could be a concern; it's already been written about. we may have the talent to compensate, who knows, but in football thats an established role that we don't have filled.