QB controversey?

Ramsey! I think he deserves more time to develop a chemistry with his NEW receivers, and the changes in the offense. Yes, he's made some bad decisions, but it's the preseason and hopefully he'll learn from all his mistakes. Lets not forget that Portis has barely played (1 carry in 2 preseason games), and Ramsey can benefit from a solid running game. Less pressure on Ramsey will make him more and more comfortable.

Brunell has looked good against the 2nd and 3rd stringers. He seems to have regained that mobility he always had, but never showed it last year because of his hamstring injury. I think we ourselves a great backup in Brunell, and if Ramsey were to fall to an injury (lets hope he doesn't!!!), I think Brunell can come in and win us some games.

Ramsey and Brunell are both very inconsistent and I do not want either to be my starting QB.

Ramsey isnt hitting open guys, he has extremely happy feet, and on third and longs he looks short first. Brunell is the same Brunell that he was last year. He is making some very nice throws and making plays, but the first preseason game he did the same crap. Under pressue he would roll out and then throw it soaring over a receivers head or just throw it away. He doesnt make plays when you need them.

I was very upset that Campbell didnt play the last game. Clearly, hes not going to be our starter, but I dont expect us to have many wins (because of our offense) with either of those two QBs. If one of them steps up, I think at best they just dont make us lose, but they dotn do things to make us win.

That said, Brunell would probably be a little frustrating too. He looks good now in preseason against scrubs, but I'd be kidding myself if I said that he looks like he's back to his prime form from his Jacksonville days. I don't think he's the same player as he was then, can't scramble as well and there are some throws he can't make any more. But he could manage the game just about as effectively as Ramsey in my opinion.

Gibbs start calling the game more conservatively?! Urgh, not something I want to see! ;)

I will say this... I think that while it doesn't count, they're telling Ramsey to "let-er-rip" and see how he does. I'm sure if these games counted, they'd be running more to set up the pass so that once they stack the box, Ramsey can hit some easy quick slants to Moss or Patten and they'd be gone.

I don't want to see Gibbs go as conservative as last year, but I definitely don't want to see him cutting Ramsey loose like he is in the preseason. Did you know the Redskins rank 2nd in the NFL in pass yards per game so far in the preseason? Philly is first.

That's abnormal for a Joe Gibbs team. I think he's just calling pass after pass because he's just trying to assess what works. He's probably trying to figure out which plays work and which don't. When the regular season comes, I think he'll call running plays about as often as he did last year. The only thing is he'll pick his spots to go deep this year, and he'll probably choose to use the plays that he sees working here in the preseason.

I think he's using the preseason as a guinea pig of sorts, a test-run of the passing game. But he'll end up using his normal offensive style. All Clinton Portis, all the time, but with just a few deep passes mixed in. Which makes sense. After all, Clinton is our best offensive player. I maintain that the deep passing game is there primarily to give Portis room to run and take over games.

Ramsey and Brunell are both very inconsistent and I do not want either to be my starting QB.

Ramsey isnt hitting open guys, he has extremely happy feet, and on third and longs he looks short first. Brunell is the same Brunell that he was last year. He is making some very nice throws and making plays, but the first preseason game he did the same crap. Under pressue he would roll out and then throw it soaring over a receivers head or just throw it away. He doesnt make plays when you need them.

I was very upset that Campbell didnt play the last game. Clearly, hes not going to be our starter, but I dont expect us to have many wins (because of our offense) with either of those two QBs. If one of them steps up, I think at best they just dont make us lose, but they dotn do things to make us win.

Skins, I could not have said it better myself. The best we can hope for with these QBs is that they dont lose games because they wont do anything to help the team win.

That's abnormal for a Joe Gibbs team. I think he's just calling pass after pass because he's just trying to assess what works. He's probably trying to figure out which plays work and which don't. When the regular season comes, I think he'll call running plays about as often as he did last year. The only thing is he'll pick his spots to go deep this year, and he'll probably choose to use the plays that he sees working here in the preseason.


That's what I'm thinkin'.

We'll see what Ramsey does well and what he does not.

I thought about this over the weekend, and many many many budweisers later, Ive arrived with a very controversial theory on this issue. Now, mind you, this is just a theory and I know many of you are reaching for the arrows in your quiver even as I type but its worthy of a discussion. First, you must arrive at this conclusion: Patrick Ramsey is not our qb of the future. This is his fourth year, and he still makes the same mistakes he did as a rookie. He pats the ball, holds it too long, and then he forces throws into coverage instead of just taking what the defense gives him. I know many of you are saying, "Hold on, lets give the kid the season as the starter" and a part of me agrees with you. But another part of me suddenly came to the realization that Patrick Ramsey just isn't the answer. Now, if you can arrive at that conclusion, then what are the options? Brunnell does not have the arm of Ramsey, but he doesn't make as many stupid mistakes either. Brunnell to our team is slightly is similiar to what Trent Dilfer was to the champion Ravens' team. He got them within field goal range and he rarely made a mistake, throwing an occassional td.

So, does Brunnell give us a better chance to win immediately at the beginning of the season? I think he does. I think if we have any chance of beating Dallas in Week 2 it would be with Brunnell. So here's the theory, and please, be gentle when you attack me.....start Brunnell, and back him up with Ramsey until the season is lost, then plug in Campbell and work towards next year. I say this because in all honesty, I was always a big Patrick Ramsey fan, but now he's got an offensive line that is kicking ass, and receivers that are getting open, and he still makes the same mistakes that he did when he was a rookie. OK, take your shots, and remember its a theory.

Ramsey and Brunell are both very inconsistent and I do not want either to be my starting QB.

Ramsey isnt hitting open guys, he has extremely happy feet, and on third and longs he looks short first. Brunell is the same Brunell that he was last year. He is making some very nice throws and making plays, but the first preseason game he did the same crap. Under pressue he would roll out and then throw it soaring over a receivers head or just throw it away. He doesnt make plays when you need them.

I was very upset that Campbell didnt play the last game. Clearly, hes not going to be our starter, but I dont expect us to have many wins (because of our offense) with either of those two QBs. If one of them steps up, I think at best they just dont make us lose, but they dotn do things to make us win.

Your point is well taken. The fact of the matter is during the season Ramsey has to be our man.

Brunell will not make it through a season, and by how he played last year I wouldn't want him to. If it came down to him being the starter it would be very bad news.
Campbell, unless he is hiding something very special from us, is a rookie who needs to cut his teeth in practice. Don't worry Gibbs will play him against the steelers, as per the WP article posted in the news section. Don't get me wrong I like Campbell but he doesn't need to be beaten down like Ramsey was early in his career.
Like it or not Ramsey is our guy for now. He has more starts with Gibbs, he gets the most reps....if he could only not look like a tapdancing ape in the pocket.

I thought about this over the weekend, and many many many budweisers later, Ive arrived with a very controversial theory on this issue. Now, mind you, this is just a theory and I know many of you are reaching for the arrows in your quiver even as I type but its worthy of a discussion. First, you must arrive at this conclusion: Patrick Ramsey is not our qb of the future. This is his fourth year, and he still makes the same mistakes he did as a rookie. He pats the ball, holds it too long, and then he forces throws into coverage instead of just taking what the defense gives him. I know many of you are saying, "Hold on, lets give the kid the season as the starter" and a part of me agrees with you. But another part of me suddenly came to the realization that Patrick Ramsey just isn't the answer. Now, if you can arrive at that conclusion, then what are the options? Brunnell does not have the arm of Ramsey, but he doesn't make as many stupid mistakes either. Brunnell to our team is slightly is similiar to what Trent Dilfer was to the champion Ravens' team. He got them within field goal range and he rarely made a mistake, throwing an occassional td.

So, does Brunnell give us a better chance to win immediately at the beginning of the season? I think he does. I think if we have any chance of beating Dallas in Week 2 it would be with Brunnell. So here's the theory, and please, be gentle when you attack me.....start Brunnell, and back him up with Ramsey until the season is lost, then plug in Campbell and work towards next year. I say this because in all honesty, I was always a big Patrick Ramsey fan, but now he's got an offensive line that is kicking ass, and receivers that are getting open, and he still makes the same mistakes that he did when he was a rookie. OK, take your shots, and remember its a theory.


Paulskinsfan you're stupid!!! JUST KIDDING MAN! :biggthump

I understand you're theory, and I respect where you're coming from. But let me ask you this. Don't you think we should give Ramsey at least a couple of weeks into the season to get comfortable with his receivers?

My theory on Ramsey is that he lacks confidence, and he needs more time to gain that. I think by week 2 if Ramsey is still making the same mistakes....then we should start worrying. But for now, I think he's still trying to gain some confidence.

Ramsey in my opinion is not going to be the starter after this season... I have watched him play 2 preseason games so far & he's not showing me that he's ready to play in the NFL at the starting QB position.

I think he's still trying to win the game all on his own & that's a HUGE no-no..!! Throwing to WR's in the redzone that are blanketed is just flat out retarded. He's got 1st & 10 inside the 20 & he throws on 1st down an int. Now that tells me he's not even thinking about what he's doing ???? No calculating the next down or even thinking ahead 2 secs.

I like Ramsey as a competitor, but this is his 4th year & he's still playing like a rookie or at best a 2nd year sophmore. I'd like to see more of Campbell in the next 2 games with Ramsey & Brunell sharing the 1st halfs alone.

All in all, I don't expect the skins to win more than 7 games with Ramsey behind center, unless Gibbs system really can turn Ramsey's game around. Otherwise, we're going to start hearing chants for Campbell & that's not going to help Ramsey gain any more confidence,