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raleighskinsfan 04-05-2004, 06:19 PM http://www.hailredskins.com/CupofSchmoe1.htm
This article speaks of Greg Williams need of a strong front 4 to make his schemes work, and questions whether the moves we've made thus far this offseason are enough. The author thinks no, and I agree. We still have no pass rusher whatsoever. Wynn never has been or will be, and Phillip Daniels had what, 3 or 4 sacks last season?
I want Sean Taylor as much as anyone, but should we not try to trade down to 10-15, where one of the premier defensive players would not be too high a pick (Udeze, Will Smith)- and pick up an additional second rounder where we could then pick up Troupe or Watson at TE and fill that hole?
Or are there any likely June 1 cuts that we are eyeing to shore up our pass rush?
I don''t like any of the names I have heard so far (Tony Brackens- too many injuries)- a few others not even good enough to remember-
The author of the article makes a very good point in that we've been saying we need to upgrade the line for years. Cornelius Griffen was a good start, but we need to find a way to get Udeze on this team. 24 sacks over the last two seasons is all you have to say to me.....
Daseal 04-05-2004, 06:31 PM I think that when Gibbs saw some guys he liked on film, he was talking about the D line. I think Wynn/Zellner were playing way under their potential, and I think with Griffin and Noble (maybe not this year, but next) will be a solid combo. I also think Daniels will be solid.
Do we have a great line? No. Are we even in the top half in the league? No. Is it enough to generate the pressure needed to free up our LBs and other blitzing players? Yes. Williams has made no bones about it, we're going to be coming this year. When you have the talent at LB we have, we should be able to do just fine rushing the passer. I think the D Line will be the one thing that needs a fix next offseason, but let's see how everything pans out!
Beemnseven 04-05-2004, 07:16 PM I think that when Gibbs saw some guys he liked on film, he was talking about the D line. I think Wynn/Zellner were playing way under their potential, and I think with Griffin and Noble (maybe not this year, but next) will be a solid combo. I also think Daniels will be solid.
Do we have a great line? No. Are we even in the top half in the league? No. Is it enough to generate the pressure needed to free up our LBs and other blitzing players? Yes. Williams has made no bones about it, we're going to be coming this year. When you have the talent at LB we have, we should be able to do just fine rushing the passer. I think the D Line will be the one thing that needs a fix next offseason, but let's see how everything pans out!
"Is it enough to generate the pressure needed to free up our LBs and other blitzing players? Yes."
Daseal, we don't know that yet! I'll agree that the LB position has been upgraded with Lavar's move to the weak side, but I also feel that there may be too much faith in the pass rushing skills of Marcus Washington. Don't get me wrong, he's a HUGE improvement over Jessie Armstead. But the guy has 18 sacks in 4 years. That's...what... a whopping 4.5 sacks per season?!?
And all due respect to Joe Gibbs, defense is not his forte. He's even admitted as much. But knowing that, it would be scary to think that he looked at game film of the defensive line last season and actually 'liked what he saw'. I'm certain he was speaking of certain offensive players.
Let me be clear: The defensive line is STILL in dreadful shape -- with or without Griffin and Daniels. We need significant help there. If we don't get it, I don't care what kind of schemes Gregg Williams comes up with. You still need talented players to execute. And that is something this team still doesn't have.
If Williams is going to bring pressure if will most likely be from LB and safety blitzes. This D line the way it is now is not one that can bring heat on it's own.
SkinsandTerps 04-05-2004, 08:17 PM Gotta trust Williams and Gibbs to make the decisions.
I think the Skins will be looking to pick up some June 1st casualties.
The Skins D-Line was always just tough and gritty guys when Gibbs was here before. The only Big name player was Manley. LBs were always much better athletically.
RedskinRat 04-05-2004, 08:29 PM I have faith in the coaching staff to bring out the best in these guys, we'll have to wait until the camp and pre-season to see where we're at.
SKINSnCANES 04-05-2004, 08:45 PM Our D-line isnt the best, but if you see Lavar running right at you it makes you think twice about who to block. I see our D-line getting a lot more sacks next year as a direct correlation of teams olines trying to pick up the blitzing linebackers.
If they take Taylor, I'll be happy. If they trade down a few spots and take Will Smith, Udeze, or Harris I'd be happy as well.
Winslow
Taylor
Smith
Udeze
Harris
If they end up with any of those 5, I'll be happy.
SKINSnCANES 04-05-2004, 09:19 PM If they beat the Cowboys, TWICE, on the way to the Super Bowl, ill be happy!
SKINSnCANES 04-05-2004, 09:34 PM aw heck what am i saying, im a skins fan through and through, im going ot be happy. I just want them to draft a Cane so I can buy his Jersey, but I figure worst comes to Worst ill buy a Portis jersey, so its cool.
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