Eagles cracks showing

I'm curious to see how "good" McNabb is when TO isn't around scooping passes off the ground. He's a decent playmaker with his feet, but he's far from accurate.
Actually I agree 100% with you and probably tend to think he is one of the more overrated guys in the league. I simply made that statment rather than listen to everyone pipe in about McNabb. I realize many people think he is great so I was just going along really.
In my opinion McNabb is a top 10 QB but only because he makes better than average decisions and can make some plays with his feet. Without a stud WR I can list 8 or 9 QBs straight up that I'd take before him. I know it is not a popular position but good ole stupid Limbaugh was right when he said McNabb was overrated and probably got a little of his rub from being black. The guy is a quality athlete and a role model for other athletes in his classy demeanor and determination but he is not a great QB.

He's very classy and marketable. Just like LaVar is very marketable. However, people often like to confuse marketable with superstar. While you may see their face they aren't necessarily a great player. I think a lot of the "star" players throughout the NFL wouldn't be stars if they weren't put into a great system and didn't have quality around them. How well would Peyton Manning do without Harrison, Wayne, Pollard (last year) and that running game with Edge. He'd be a good QB, but wouldn't be breaking any records, that's for sure.

What limbaugh said I agree in the premise, however there's a right way to dictate your thoughts and a wrong way. He picked the wrong way and made it sound like his opinion was based more on race than on skill. Race, especially in this country, is an extremely touchy subject.

Its not fair to judge mcnabb by one season where he could be missing the top 3 wr's from last year. there isnt one player in the nfl that could win on their own.

also, there isnt a crack in the eagles system. they've been to 4 straight nfc championship games and have a solid shot at it this year.
when you are so good for so long, all your draft picks are late rounders so the talent pool is less than lets say the redskins who have been picking in the top ten for too damn long. so basicly the redskins have 2 picks in the top 50 and the eagles have 1 and over the years it adds up.

the same will happen to the patriots, they wont be able to draft a ty law or another blue chip prospect while they are winning. so their stars get old and leave/retire.

the two basic rules of "the system":
draft well(thats why the pats and eagles are good)
and dont mortgage your future for a superstar of yesterday.(redskins do that every year)

jamf did the redskins do that this year?

the two basic rules of "the system":
draft well(thats why the pats and eagles are good)
and dont mortgage your future for a superstar of yesterday.(redskins do that every year)


While I agree with some of your thoughts on the iggles, I don't agree that the skins are still in the "mortgage the future" mode--that is certainly beginning to change under GIbbs.

I guess I'm unsure why you guys think McNabb isn't a top-10 QB. Getting to the NFC championship 4 times running is pretty good evidence to me--and we're not talking about a ravens type deal here--we've all seen McNabb make amazing plays to win games. As someone said: he makes good decisions, and he makes plays with his legs--exactly. He's a top-notch QB.

I hate the whole organization, but it's not that they're not good. We're going to have to earn it to take the NFC east from them. We are not there yet, I'm afraid.

the thing is, you cant change in one year. the brunell pickup still is costing us. the picks we gave up for players will cost us for the next few years.

granted we didnt sign anyone to a large contract, but we are week in draft choice depth because of the picks we gave up for restricted free agents like morton and coles. alot of our depth is either an undrafted player or an over the hill vet.

the two basic rules of "the system":
draft well(thats why the pats and eagles are good)
and dont mortgage your future for a superstar of yesterday.(redskins do that every year)

Until this past season. Looks like we are finally learning.

I'm curious to see how "good" McNabb is when TO isn't around scooping passes off the ground. He's a decent playmaker with his feet, but he's far from accurate. The Eagles offense relies so much on the passing game and big plays (they passed 12% more on first down than the 2nd ranked team) that without TO and Pinkston (as bad as he is) I don't think they can continue.

Here's what I wonder about the Eagles front office. TO isn't the first player to make accusations to say that the front office says don't worry about it, after the season we'll give you x, y, and z. Then come back and don't fulfill their promises. I wouldn't be suprised if they said we'll pay you but let's just get this deal done so you can get into camp. Which is why he completely ignored the NFL PA, etc. I think we can all admit that coming out of SF he DIDN'T get fair market value for a WR of his ability. Now, this fiasco with the Eagles has certainly dropped what he's worth, but I question if the Eagles FO doesn't like to make verbal deals then say NU UH.

That said, I'm not defending TOs actions at all, the way he's gone about this has been abominable. I just think the Eagles FO is more to blame than we're being lead to believe.

I'd say that TO's original contract that the Eagles gave him was right on market value. Sure, he and Randy Moss are definitely the two most talented receivers in the game. But TO's contract only pays him like he's the 10th best receiver in the game. I say that's fair because of what a poor teammate he is. He didn't just all of a sudden become a pain in the ass this year in Philly, he was horrible to Jeff Garcia. Called him gay in the newspapers, complained that he never threw him the ball, yelled at him on the sidelines and in the huddle. If you're a team looking to sign TO, you definitely see the huge talent, but you have to discount it because he's such a pain in the ass. I wouldn't pay him a top 10 WR's salary, and I doubt many other teams would at this point.

I'd say that TO's original contract that the Eagles gave him was right on market value. Sure, he and Randy Moss are definitely the two most talented receivers in the game. But TO's contract only pays him like he's the 10th best receiver in the game. I say that's fair because of what a poor teammate he is. He didn't just all of a sudden become a pain in the ass this year in Philly, he was horrible to Jeff Garcia. Called him gay in the newspapers, complained that he never threw him the ball, yelled at him on the sidelines and in the huddle. If you're a team looking to sign TO, you definitely see the huge talent, but you have to discount it because he's such a pain in the ass. I wouldn't pay him a top 10 WR's salary, and I doubt many other teams would at this point.
Please don't take this personally Schneed10, but that's a bullshit stat. This year - and this year only - Owens's base salary is ranked outside of the top ten in total compensation. However, with the signing bonus he received last year, his two-year compensation ranks him below Moss, Harrison, and (I think because of his new contract with the Jets) Coles. That's elite company. If he had kept his mouth shut, without any changes to his contract, he would receive an additional $7.5 million in bonus on April 1st.

The "10th best receiver" line is Rosenhaus rhetoric designed to illicit sympathy for his noble client. Take it with a grain of salt. Hell, take it with a whole salt lick.

When someone gets a fair market deal the NFL PA normally doesn't tell them to turn it down.