Kiper says it's likely Skins will trade down

As much as I like Sean Taylor, a part of me still looks at the defensive line as a liability. I honestly don't believe we are that much better there. The upgrades (if you can call them that) of Daniels and Griffin won't solve the issue. We still lack a speed rusher, and we need at least one more new defensive tackle in case Noble doesn't pan out.

If we can grab a couple of picks in the first round, or second, then logic and history tells us that Sean Taylor isn't as much of a priority as the D-line.

When you can get a blue chip, top 5 pick caliber talent, you take it.
Look and learn from our recent draft history...would you rather have a blue-chip, can't miss, high pick player like Lavar Arrington, Champ Bailey or Chris Samuels(or Sean Taylor); or do you want to move down (in the 1st round) and take a chance on a lesser player like Rod Gardner or Patrick Ramsey (or lesser talent d-lineman)?
I agree with you that our D-line is still in need of a player or two. My main problem with trading down for a D-lineman is there is not a single, sure-thing, can't miss defensive lineman in this draft. Otherwise there would be one projected in the top 10.
On the other hand safety Sean Taylor is a sure thing (safe pick). It would be a big gamble to pass up Sean Taylor for a defensive lineman that might not be able to earn a starting position.

Off topic-I know the Ramsey fans are going to scream that Ramsey is the next Bret Farve, pro-bowl, hall of famer...but in reality he is not yet there.

I think I'm going to have to agree with Defensewins here. I mean if they can make some sort of package of players and maybe future draft picks to add a late first rounder to get a d-lineman that's fine. But I think it would be a mistake to pass on a playmaker like Taylor. I'd like to hold onto that no. 5 pick and grab Taylor

Does anyone know of any rumored post June 1 cuts we could go after?

we could go after Trotter to ass depth to our lb core, lol

we gotta take taylor, he looks like the real deal . . . perhaps we could package some players and steal a low 1st round or high 2nd pick to get some kind of DL??

I think I'm going to have to agree with Defensewins here. I mean if they can make some sort of package of players and maybe future draft picks to add a late first rounder to get a d-lineman that's fine. But I think it would be a mistake to pass on a playmaker like Taylor. I'd like to hold onto that no. 5 pick and grab Taylor

Does anyone know of any rumored post June 1 cuts we could go after?

Yea, I have been saying it for a while now, gardner,trotter, the rest of our pick's this year and our #1 next year and possilbly 1 more pick next year for a #1 and a #2 this year that would get us a D-lineman and a big TE [poss. watson], while allowing us to draft taylor, I would throw thrash in there as well, perhap's baltimore may bite on a deal like that, I could see the jet's with some interest as well.

Yea, I have been saying it for a while now, gardner,trotter, the rest of our pick's this year and our #1 next year and possilbly 1 more pick next year for a #1 and a #2 this year that would get us a D-lineman and a big TE [poss. watson], while allowing us to draft taylor, I would throw thrash in there as well, perhap's baltimore may bite on a deal like that, I could see the jet's with some interest as well.

You'd trade both Thrash and Gardner? Wouldn't you want to keep at least one of them, if for no other reason then they some provide veteran mentoring for youngsters like McCants and more importantly Jacobs?

We have to have a threat opposite coles, not a coulda woulda shoulda player. Our O will be great by having to threats at receiver, a TE and Portis. I know some of you will say McCants or Jacobs could be a threat, but I want someone that already is and then have a number three. Run three wideouts with an H-back and we'll be unstopable.

You'd trade both Thrash and Gardner? Wouldn't you want to keep at least one of them, if for no other reason then they some provide veteran mentoring for youngsters like McCants and more importantly Jacobs?

leadership is usually set by example and it's tough for guy's to be leader's when they haven't really accomplished that much, as well they are not as talented IMO as the player's they will be providing leadership for, as well as MCcant's has been around almost as long as gardner, and from what I saw from gardner on the field last season I can't say that I really wan't him influencing our youngster's, thrash has never impressed me as a guy who can be a #3 on a championship type team, he's a 4 or 5 at best, he can very easily be replaced, Gibb's has a way of making star's out of castoff's, we'll find someone to replace thrash at the very least, I aslo wouldn't be surprised to see an unknown step up and have a nice year for us under Gibb's, IM not saying this is the only scenerio to grab a #1 and a #2 this year but it is a possibility, my thought here is do what you have to do to get those pick's this year, if we can do it and keep thrash, great, but I wouldn't waver in giving him up to get back into the first rd and second rd. with the talent that is out there this year.

When you can get a blue chip, top 5 pick caliber talent, you take it.
Look and learn from our recent draft history...would you rather have a blue-chip, can't miss, high pick player like Lavar Arrington, Champ Bailey or Chris Samuels(or Sean Taylor); or do you want to move down (in the 1st round) and take a chance on a lesser player like Rod Gardner or Patrick Ramsey (or lesser talent d-lineman)?
I agree with you that our D-line is still in need of a player or two. My main problem with trading down for a D-lineman is there is not a single, sure-thing, can't miss defensive lineman in this draft. Otherwise there would be one projected in the top 10.
On the other hand safety Sean Taylor is a sure thing (safe pick). It would be a big gamble to pass up Sean Taylor for a defensive lineman that might not be able to earn a starting position.

Off topic-I know the Ramsey fans are going to scream that Ramsey is the next Bret Farve, pro-bowl, hall of famer...but in reality he is not yet there.

Don't get me wrong, I would be ecstatic to have Sean Taylor on this team. Safety is an important position the Front Office has long ignored, and if our defensive line wasn't in such dreadful shape, I wouldn't blink at selecting him the first chance we get. And I agree with your analogy about the value of mid-to-late first round picks for players who turn out to be like Rod Gardner or, ahem... Patrick Ramsey. Point well taken.

I only express hesitation because while the D-line was probably the single biggest culprit to the team's downfall last season, little has been done through free agency to correct it. With the June 1st cuts offering nothing more than 'sloppy seconds', I simply feel that a trade offer, if sweet enough, should be considered.

Ideally, I would love to see some sort of trade magic so we could get Taylor AND one of the top D-linemen available later on, even if it means mortgaging next year's top draft pick to do it.

They've done a lot to address the D line. His name is Williams. Seriously, the schemes we ran last year were just horrible. I think playcalling alone could upgrade our defense two fold.