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offiss 07-29-2005, 08:02 PM I read an interview with Doc Walker and what he felt was a big problem with the Skins last season was that plain and simple they were too dumb.
I believe, or I am hoping the players that we had last season are smarter this year with a year to digest the playbook, and the new players we brought in are quick learners, [except Campbell of coarse :biggthump ]I think Gibbs went out of his way to find players who are smart and all about focus and learning, who will be able to digest his playbook in a hurry, case and point this kid White, I just read an article about this kid's work ethic and desire to get better, now there's a Gibbs type player if I ever saw one.
The big question is, is Gibbs offense to complicated for today's NFL, When you consider free agency and all the flip flopping players do from team to team these day's? Will it take to long for players to pick up on the run so to say, or will the core player's who are familar with the system help speed up the maturation process for the new players coming in so that not everything is left to the coaches having to explain every last detail?
GoSkins! 07-29-2005, 09:30 PM Yeah, he did put the blame on the players for the offsides and the motion penalties. Not smart football. The good thing is that those problems were working themselves out by the end of the year. We should be much better at playing smart football this year.
FRPLG 07-29-2005, 09:55 PM The big question is, is Gibbs offense to complicated for today's NFL, When you consider free agency and all the flip flopping players do from team to team these day's? Will it take to long for players to pick up on the run so to say, or will the core player's who are familar with the system help speed up the maturation process for the new players coming in so that not everything is left to the coaches having to explain every last detail?
I think if anything both offenses and defenses have gotten exponentially more complex since the early 90's. Gibb's was I think progressive for his time in complexity but is probably run of the mill today. where it presented problems was in that it was/is vastly different than most other offenses and guys were learning a entire new way of conducting an offense. Plus complex offenses just take a little while to get smoothed out. The ended up looking so vanilla because they couldn't run anythign well last year.
They be better this year and I'd bet the bank on it.
Longtimefan 07-30-2005, 02:15 AM What is this (Except Campbell of course)? One more than one occasion it seems reference has been made to Campbell not being intelligent and I don't know where that came from except maybe for some stupid "Wonderlink" score. There can be no doubt about the intelligence of a player who has been an Honor Roll student throughtout his academic tenure. Maybe if one compares that to Football smarts could be a different digest, however that remains to be seen. But to refer to him as not smart would allow one to draw varied conclusions and be insulting depending on the readers view.
Redskins8588 07-30-2005, 02:19 AM I really dont think that the wonderlick test means that much, I mean what did Dexter Manely get on his with his great reading ability?
BrudLee 07-30-2005, 09:11 AM What is this (Except Campbell of course)? One more than one occasion it seems reference has been made to Campbell not being intelligent and I don't know where that came from except maybe for some stupid "Wonderlink" score. There can be no doubt about the intelligence of a player who has been an Honor Roll student throughtout his academic tenure. Maybe if one compares that to Football smarts could be a different digest, however that remains to be seen. But to refer to him as not smart would allow one to draw varied conclusions and be insulting depending on the readers view.
I took his comments to mean that he doesn't want Campbell to have an impact on this season, since it would mean either serious injuries or horrible play.
I have no idea what Campbell's Wonderlic score was, but he impressed the football minds in our organization enough to make them go out to get him. That's enough for me.
skinsguy 07-30-2005, 11:19 AM It's funny, but Gibbs' offense was pegged as too simple last year. I don't believe the offense this year is going to be any more complicated than the other offenses in the NFL.
I believe Doc has a point. You can fuss and fight with the players all ya want, but it comes down to them playing smart on the field, and the Skins did make alot of dumb mistakes last season.
But, as I have been saying, let's forget about last season! I am ready for this season to begin!
Sociofan 07-30-2005, 07:04 PM An interesting post. I was watching ESPN Classic last night and they were showing interviews with players back in the 1980s. What struck me was that in all of them, the players appeared so much more poised, mature, and intelligent than what I see today. Just my imagination? Or has anyone else noticed the phenomenon? Is it the money? Are lower calibre characters being attracted to the NFL today? Are colleges failing to turn players into good citizens as well as great players these days? Of course that is not a blanket statement, but the sheer number of incidents on and off the field and the things I hear coming out of players' mouths tell me that character "ain't what it used to be!"
SmootSmack 07-31-2005, 03:52 AM I don't think athletes are worse. I think there's just less of a filter between what happens internally within a team and what the media lets the public know. Primarily because of the Internet and 24 hour sports networks we feel the need to know something new about our beloved team every five minutes. And the media feels an obligation to provide it.
And the thing is that the "negative" stories are the ones that attract the attention and keep people talking. But it's not like they necessarily consitute the majority of the players.
Take the Skins for example, the "stories" are LaVar and Sean Taylor. But those two are just two people (and Taylor still hasn't been found guilty of anything), yet no one talks about the solid player/citizens like Brandon Noble, Shawn Springs, Joe Salave'a, Matt Bowen, Marcus Washington, Renaldo Wynn, etc.
Sociofan 07-31-2005, 12:35 PM True. But even in the 80s, the stories were Art Monk's unparalleled work ethic, Darrell Green's philanthropic activities, The Hogs' bonding after practice. Even when Dexter was having his problems, we still thought of him as the guy overcoming illiteracy and speaking before Congress. And Riggo--he was just a colorful character.
Perhaps you are right. Maybe the media have changed direction and act more like sensationalist tabloids now. It just makes it harder for kids to have sports heroes anymore when the good things that Noble, Wynn and others are doing is constantly overshadowed in the press by the players more obsessed with guns, drugs, and money than with being a good teammate. Still, I wonder if the football mills have lowered their standards over the years (giving in to the pressures of making money at the college level) and are now churning out very talented players who would not have found a seat in the classroom 20 years ago. The UNLV-ization of football.
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