Sportsline.com/Judge giving us no love

What he doesn't understand is Williams made Smoot and Pierce what they have become, Rogers is more talented than Smoot, and I think Harris is as good as Smoot, anytime he was in last year he was all over his reciever, as far as MLB we have more depth now than we did last season before Pierce stepped up.

His point about Ramsey is right on though, picking Campbell and giving up everything we gave up for him just screams disgust and distain for what Gibbs really thinks of Ramsey.

All that aside Gibbs is the key, will he catch up to today's NFL, or is he just really washed up?
I think that Smoot was pretty good before Williams came here, so I would have to disagree with you on that, but I do agree that Williams did jump start Pierce's career....

I think that Smoot was pretty good before Williams came here, so I would have to disagree with you on that, but I do agree that Williams did jump start Pierce's career....


The point is he went from a decent CB to an elite type CB in 1 season, at least in other team's eye's.

People want to judge Smoot by what he did under Williams, and then judge others before they have a chance to play under Williams, Harris was a good CB before his injury, he should be fully healed which by his own admission he wasen't a 100% last season, couple that with Williams and we will all be saying Smoot who, and in case people forget, the backup plan is more talented than either 1, and that's Rogers.

I have no doubt that Williams will make a bonified MLB out of the talent he has to work with, kind of like denver and RB's.

well profootball weekly also gives us no love----Says we had "nightmare offseason"
http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/Commentary/Columns/2005/edholm070605.htm
The Redskins are on the verge of capping one of the roughest offseasons in recent memory. Of course, in retrospect, most Redskins offseasons are bad; they just usually look good as they are happening. Maybe change is good, but in this case, most people agreed that the team suffered some key losses and was unable to get much immediate help. And trumping everything has been the Sean Taylor saga, which will continue to haunt the club through the season.

Now first-round pick CB Carlos Rogers was discovered to have a stress fracture in his right foot and a bone bruise in his right ankle — injuries that will force the Redskins’ top pick to miss the start of camp. The injury likely will set him back from challenging for a starting spot, meaning Walt Harris and Artrell Hawkins are the team’s Nos. 2 and 3 corners for now.

With Taylor’s status up in the air and Rogers out of the picture for the start of camp, a secondary that was an underrated and vital piece of the team’s defensive success last season will be knocked down a peg or two. And this is on a unit that also lost CB Fred Smoot and MLB Antonio Pierce and failed to acquire another defensive lineman. One Redskins defensive coach swears this offseason that Phillip Daniels is going to have a great year, but that’s far from a certainty, seeing as how he missed 11 games last season and hasn’t had more than 5½ sacks in a season since 2001.
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Good to see that all 255 rookie draft picks made it to the mandatory Rookie Symposium this offseason. Though it’s not a harbinger of future failure, past absentees include Ryan Leaf and Sean Taylor.

Does anyone besides me think that Chad Morton is not only going to make the Patriots' roster but also run back at least one kickoff/punt for a touchdown? Two years ago he was the most coveted free-agent returner in the league before he got "Redskinned" (what happens to good players when they go to Washington).

I’ll give the Redskins some credit. I think hanging on to Rod Gardner, for now, might be smart. There’s interest in him from a few teams, and any club that loses a starting receiver at the start of camp might want to place a call to Joe Gibbs.

I think that all the media take a certain spin on the team. Either they will be good and this is the year, or we are set up to give denver the number 3 draft pick next year. I think it is in the middle, not that we can't be horrible or great next year with 4 wins or 12 wins, our team has problems but they are not destroying. The loss of morton is nothing and i hope he does well but i won't feel bad for releasing him even if he pulls off 2 touchdowns returning next year. Pierce, i won't miss his physical attributes(we got mccune), i will miss his brain that set up the line and got everyone ready. Smoot is what i am most worried about, i liked smoot more than bailey when they were both here, not because smoot was better, it was just his attitude and love for the team. He will be replaced by arris and harris will do fine. Our backfield isn't destroyed as some reports make it seem, we have springs, taylor, bowen, and harris/rodgers. that is a damn good backfield, and few teams have better.

Offensively, i know we got better, we got 2 out of the top 3 top yards per average recievers with over 40 catches. That is not an accident, we got the speed needed to help the passing game and even if we complete less we will have larger completions w/o coles. This will help portis in running and cooley in catching the shorter passes. It is looking good.

Our season lays in the hands of our QB and if he fails this year we will fail, things looked up toward the end of the season(Ramsey was doing well in the last 5 games he had 3 games w/ over a 100 passer rating, high 139). I really don't know how he will do. If it is good i know anything can happen, everything else on our team is above average

His point about Ramsey is right on though, picking Campbell and giving up everything we gave up for him just screams disgust and distain for what Gibbs really thinks of Ramsey.

I just don't agree with this at all.

When Gibbs had Joe Theismann in hand, he acquired Jay Schroeder. When he had Jay Schroeder in hand, he acquired Doug Williams. When he had Doug Williams in hand, he acquired Mark Rypien.

Gibbs has always felt the need to have two quality quarterbacks on the roster. He tried to do that last year by bringing Brunell in to join Ramsey. If anything, the Campbell draft pick is an indictment of Mark Brunell; I think Gibbs now realizes that Brunell is a bum (despite what he says publicly).

I think Gibbs just saw something special in Campbell and decided to go get him. Gibbs likes to have two good QBs, and he's just going to play the best one. Simple as that.

So Gibbs has disgust and distain for Ramsey?

Meanwhile he's repeatedly said, since very early in the offseason, that Patrick is his starter.

Interesting.

I guess Gibbs is just blowing smoke up our asses.

Like Schneed10 said, Gibbs has always had 2 starting quality QBs on his rosters, Gibbs hasn't changed his tune at all in that regard. So why are people spinning it as he somehow hates Ramsey?

Ridiculous.

Very true. Brunell was SUPPOSED to be the second quality quarterback. I'd be afraid to have had Hasselbeck leading us if a starter was injured.

So Gibbs has disgust and distain for Ramsey?

Meanwhile he's repeatedly said, since very early in the offseason, that Patrick is his starter.

Interesting.

I guess Gibbs is just blowing smoke up our asses.

Like Schneed10 said, Gibbs has always had 2 starting quality QBs on his rosters, Gibbs hasn't changed his tune at all in that regard. So why are people spinning it as he somehow hates Ramsey?

Ridiculous.

I think Gibbs' true feelings about Ramsey will come out if he struggles like Brunell. Does he get the 8 week grace period or a two week one. Hopefully we won't find out either way!

Smoot has been a quality CB his entire career. Imagine that, putting lots of pressure on the QB and forcing them to make bad throws made Smoot look better. That's the same for every defense. However, he was making big plays when he didn't have any time. Also, could it be, that Smoot simply got better skill wise? He's still fairly young in the league and learning. Smoot was a great Redskin and because the Redskins didn't want to give him near the money MN would, I can understand him leaving. Same with Pierce - when you go that many years with damn near league minimum I understand going for more money. It's not like they had huge contracts they wanted to redo. Before I hear that crap that the Redskins offer was almost the same as MNs. MNs was front loaded to where he'd actually see some of the salary, along with a slightly higher SB than the skins offered. Meaning he sees a lot more of that.

Why do we bash players that we consistantly stick up for when they leave, especially when they just leave on normal terms. It's the new NFL. This isn't like Gibbs first era where you can stockpile talent and have them wait. Or give players what they want. It's the salary cap -- and we all know the game wouldn't be as exciting without it.

I think Gibbs' true feelings about Ramsey will come out if he struggles like Brunell. Does he get the 8 week grace period or a two week one. Hopefully we won't find out either way!

I can't see Gibbs keeping Ramsey on that short of a leash. 2 weeks isn't a fair shot for anyone.

He has always been very loyal to his starting QB, almost to a fault... as we saw last year.

Ramsey will get a very fair shot, I have no doubt.

If Gibbs really didn't like Ramsey, why would he keep him around and make him the starter? If anyone can make sense of that please let me know.

He could have easily said there will be an open competition for the job in camp to let Brunell back into the running. But he didn't, so what does that say for how he feels about Ramsey? It tells me he thinks he's the best guy for the job right now.

The Campbell pick shows me Gibbs has one eye on the future. There's no guarantee we'll be able to fit Ramsey under our cap especially if he has a big year and wants a big payday. Or what if he simply wants to play elsewhere no matter what the team offers him?

I guess it's just easier to take the view that Gibbs somehow hates Ramsey and just has it in for him, so that's why he took Campbell. But if you step back and look at the big picture, I think it's easy to see that Gibbs is following the same MO he always has, he likes quality depth at QB. Simple as that.

Smoot has been a quality CB his entire career. Imagine that, putting lots of pressure on the QB and forcing them to make bad throws made Smoot look better. That's the same for every defense. However, he was making big plays when he didn't have any time. Also, could it be, that Smoot simply got better skill wise? He's still fairly young in the league and learning. Smoot was a great Redskin and because the Redskins didn't want to give him near the money MN would, I can understand him leaving. Same with Pierce - when you go that many years with damn near league minimum I understand going for more money. It's not like they had huge contracts they wanted to redo. Before I hear that crap that the Redskins offer was almost the same as MNs. MNs was front loaded to where he'd actually see some of the salary, along with a slightly higher SB than the skins offered. Meaning he sees a lot more of that.

Why do we bash players that we consistantly stick up for when they leave, especially when they just leave on normal terms. It's the new NFL. This isn't like Gibbs first era where you can stockpile talent and have them wait. Or give players what they want. It's the salary cap -- and we all know the game wouldn't be as exciting without it.

I am with you when you say Smoot was good and he had a lot of skill. I don't think Gregg Williams was the only reason Smoot was so good last year. If anything, Smoot and Springs allowed Williams to run the defense he wanted to. Without good corners, Williams can't operate his defense the way he wants. He is a great mind, but he does need some tools to work with, and Smoot & Springs were the most important tools in his toolbox last year.

That said, I honestly don't see much of a dropoff from Smoot to Walt Harris. I've been through this argument before, but just to reiterate, Walt was a former first round pick. He was a starter for many years. The only reason he wasn't a starter recently was because he busted up his knee and we got him for cheap. Now his knee is totally healthy as he proved last year, and he is quite capable of covering some top receivers. I don't think the drop from Smoot to Harris is that significant.

I am concerned about Rogers though, because you need more than two good CBs. While I'm totally confident in Springs and Harris, I'd feel better if Rogers were healthy enough to get a full training camp under his belt so he can fit into the nickel role. I like Garnell Wilds, he did nicely against Randy Moss last year. But honestly, it's a leap of faith to assume he can handle a nickel role on a consistent basis. Of course, Antonio Pierce made that leap last year, so I won't rule anything out. But I'd just feel better with Rogers in better health.