For the Dockery haters

I was hoping 97 yr old R. Brown would finally retire, but, we can't all get what we want!

Ray may be getting a little long in the tooth, but he's still a hell of a lot better than Kenyatta Jones. No one can expect Ray Brown to play the way he did the first time he was here because of his age, but last year I'm glad we had him.

Ray may be getting a little long in the tooth, but he's still a hell of a lot better than Kenyatta Jones. No one can expect Ray Brown to play the way he did the first time he was here because of his age, but last year I'm glad we had him.

True that, he was better than anything else we had... but that's not saying much. Hooray for Jansen's return!

I'm thrilled that we have both players. Dockery has amazing potential, and Brown has unparalleled experience. Hopefully, with Brown in a reserve role, he can impart some wisdon on the kid rather than worry about his own assignments.

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He must be doing something right to have started 29 straight games. Does he need to continue to improve? Of course, but I don't think he deserves half the criticism he seems to get here.

To me he's a promising young player with alot of potential, not someone we need to be looking to replace already.

You could also say he started 29 games because we have no depth or anyone better then him to replace him.
At what point does Dockery and few other Redskins (Ramsey, T. Jacobs) fall out of the category of a "young" developing player? Dockery is now in his third year, he is not a rookie/ young developing player anymore, he is now a veteran.
The reason I am saying is there were a couple of rookies that came straight of college last year, were drafted in lower rounds than Dockery was two years earlier, and started the entire season for their NFL team. The two rookies I am referring to started for San Diego, a team that went one game short of the Superbowl.
These two rookies played very well last year, better than Dockery played in his first two seasons. Dockery was very mistake prone in his first two seasons. At some point have to stop coddling certain players just because we drafted them high and have alot invested in them.

You could also say he started 29 games because we have no depth or anyone better then him to replace him.
At what point does Dockery and few other Redskins (Ramsey, T. Jacobs) fall out of the category of a "young" developing player? Dockery is now in his third year, he is not a rookie/ young developing player anymore, he is now a veteran.
The reason I am saying is there were a couple of rookies that came straight of college last year, were drafted in lower rounds than Dockery was two years earlier, and started the entire season for their NFL team. The two rookies I am referring to started for San Diego, a team that went one game short of the Superbowl.
These two rookies played very well last year, better than Dockery played in his first two seasons. Dockery was very mistake prone in his first two seasons. At some point have to stop coddling certain players just because we drafted them high and have alot invested in them.

I was waiting for someone to say this, I find it hard to believe that if he was that much of a liability we wouldn't have replaced him already. We could have started Raymer at center last year and put Friedman at LG if Dockery was that bad. If he was that bad we could have signed someone this offseason to replace him or compete for his job. We didn't though, that tells me the coaches are comfortable with him for now.

As for when does he fall out of the young developing player category, this year! If he doesn't take his game to the next level this year I'll have no problem if he's replaced.

But if some people here had their way, Dockery wouldn't even have the chance to develop, he would have been replaced already.

The fact that he's started 29 straight games, and the coaches haven't looked to replace him, tells me they have a certain level of confidence in him.

You could also say he started 29 games because we have no depth or anyone better then him to replace him.
At what point does Dockery and few other Redskins (Ramsey, T. Jacobs) fall out of the category of a "young" developing player? Dockery is now in his third year, he is not a rookie/ young developing player anymore, he is now a veteran.
The reason I am saying is there were a couple of rookies that came straight of college last year, were drafted in lower rounds than Dockery was two years earlier, and started the entire season for their NFL team. The two rookies I am referring to started for San Diego, a team that went one game short of the Superbowl.
These two rookies played very well last year, better than Dockery played in his first two seasons. Dockery was very mistake prone in his first two seasons. At some point have to stop coddling certain players just because we drafted them high and have alot invested in them.

Defensewins, please explain to me exactly why you think Dockery isn't any good. I hear you saying he's labeled as a young developing player, and I hear you saying these other two rookies played better than Dockery, but what I'm not hearing are the specifics.

WHAT DID DOCKERY DO WRONG???

Nobody can ever answer that question. The only thing the guy messed up with was penalties. How many times did he miss an assignment? Not many, blitz pickups are simple for a guard, they just stay on the DT in front of them and let the HB worry about picking up the blitzing LBs. How many times did he get bulldozed by a DT? None that I can remember. How many times did he fail to get to his blocks on running plays? Not many. Which side did the Redskins tend to run towards last year, the Dockery/Samuels side or the Thomas/Brown side? Answer, Dockery/Samuels.

I don't get why people think he was bad. The only argument you can make is penalties. If you can offer an answer to the question "what did Dockery do wrong", I'd love to hear it.

Also, we did not draft Dockery high. He was a 3rd rounder.

You guys remember at the beginning of the season the line was a seive. Brunell was getting no time and having to scramble all over the field, especially from his blind side. You always saw him rolling to the left, away from his blind side, which was the right side of the line. He got caught from behind on a couple of them giving up big fumbles. He also threw a few crappy INTs while on the run from the pass rush.

Well, DOCKERY WASN'T ON HIS BLIND SIDE. That was Kenyatta on that side letting in all that pressure. Ray Brown was better, but still not great.

When Ramsey went in, suddenly the left side of the line was the blind side again, where Samuels and Dockery are. It's not a coincidence that Ramsey dealt with less of a pass rush. Samuels and Dockery were the strong side of the line against pass rushers, and the right side was weaker. But Ramsey could see the defense coming from the right side, Brunell couldn't.

Dockery is not amongst our chief concerns along the line. Jansen being out was problem number one, and a center who wasn't athletic enough to get to his blocks was problem number two.

Sorry for ranting, but this Dockery argument gets me fired up! You just don't go replacing guys who are serviceable when you have bigger problems to deal with, that's how you develop salary cap problems!
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You guys remember at the beginning of the season the line was a seive. Brunell was getting no time and having to scramble all over the field, especially from his blind side. You always saw him rolling to the left, away from his blind side, which was the right side of the line. He got caught from behind on a couple of them giving up big fumbles. He also threw a few crappy INTs while on the run from the pass rush.

Well, DOCKERY WASN'T ON HIS BLIND SIDE. That was Kenyatta on that side letting in all that pressure. Ray Brown was better, but still not great.

When Ramsey went in, suddenly the left side of the line was the blind side again, where Samuels and Dockery are. It's not a coincidence that Ramsey dealt with less of a pass rush. Samuels and Dockery were the strong side of the line against pass rushers, and the right side was weaker. But Ramsey could see the defense coming from the right side, Brunell couldn't.

Dockery is not amongst our chief concerns along the line. Jansen being out was problem number one, and a center who wasn't athletic enough to get to his blocks was problem number two.

Sorry for ranting, but this Dockery argument gets me fired up! You just don't go replacing guys who are serviceable when you have bigger problems to deal with, that's how you develop salary cap problems!
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Wow, excellent post.