Carl Banks quasi-defends T.O. on Sirius

I don't begrudge athletes their big buck salaries, but what I have a problem with are non-loyal prima donna players who after one year want more money and a few players put their team in cap hell, and the team can't sign other players to improve their team because of the few that hog the salary cap. That's what I have a problem with.

Exactly what I was trying to say. :)

The players union are the one's who agreed to the terms and conditions of how nfl players' contracts work. If anyone is to "blame" for these types of situations, it's the players union. Having said that, it is what it is. TO has every right to demand a new contract, and the eagles have every right to hold him to the contract he's signed. If TO doesn't think the current contract is fair, let him sit out (and get fined for it). I say let these "me, me, me" guys waste their careers away holding out. Ultimately, it's the fans who will be paying the price. What's it cost to go to a pro NFL game these days? $7 for a freaking beer??? That's ridiculous. But someone's got to cough up the money in order for these guys to feed their families, right? I'd love to see the eagles stick to their guns, and watch TO never play again. Where else is he going to make even a fraction of the kind of money he's making now?

Wow, you beat me to it. I'll just expand on your point:

When Donald Trump makes more money does it hurt OUR pocketbooks? (I'm sure SOMEONE can raise that argumet with an in-depth economic analysis, but let it rest for now) No. It does not.

When TO and the people who worship the Eagles demands and new contract and god forbid he gets one, the fans get it right up the ass. If you go with a greater good argument, the ticket increase to pay that asshole's salary that should have already been in a contract would hit each and EVERY single fan to go to every game that TO plays in (and most likely the ones after he retires or leaves). They're getting hit hard anyway, but what kind of asshole says, "I know in my heart what I'm doing is right." and doesn't think about the consequences of what it does to the people who pay his fucking salary?

One TO family is NOT worth the price to thousands of (unfortunately) Eagles fans who DO work their asses off just as hard (and some not as hard) to come and watch him run his mouth and then complain that his millions aren't good enough to feed his family.

Its called a 'signing bonus'. That is the guaranteed money. The rest of the contract should be honored. If he wants to renegotiate the contract, he should then agree to return ALL of the signing bonus. The bonus is contingent to signing the CONTRACT. Carl Banks is a moron and I'm not taking any of his uneducated arguments seriously. TO is to football, what Peter King is to journalism.

Athletes are all a bunch of overpaid crybabies who dont realize how good they really have it, and its all of the fans fault. I f the fans didnt support sports as much as they do and there were less demand; then there would be less money paid into the sport. With that said there would be less money paid to players. If it were a perfect world then to watch a game would be extremely cheap, and football would be a part time job to players. More players would play for the love of the game and owners would be happy just to own a team. But it is not a perfect world. Fans demand a winning team, and will pay alot of money to see it. Owners are greedy and want to capitalize, and players are the workhands that want a piece of the profit for their labor.

In closing, bitch about it all you like, but its our fault that the situation is the way it is.

I think the argument that T.O. and Rosenhaus make is solid. Yes he signed a contract and theoretically should honor it, but teams cut players mid contract all the time so they are not living up to the contracts they sign either. The contract is an agreed upon amount of time for an agreed upon amount of money so why does one party have more rights to not live up to their end than another?

I've said the same thing Paintrain. Unfortunately, not many people agree with us.

It's very admirable when someone doesn't seek the biggest contract they can get in order to help the team, but I don't see how T.O. should be hated for seeking a bigger deal. Should I feel sorry for the owners (who are reaping billions off of the sweat of others)? Nope. Should I feel sorry for other players on the team (many of whom would do exactly what TO is doing if they were as good as he is)? Nope. Should I feel sorry for the fans? Yeah, the fans get a raw deal in all of this, but it's easy for the fans to criticize T.O. - football isn't their job and they don't stand to make millions of dollars by getting a new contract.

Does anyone work for a company and try to get a raise? Just realize that getting a raise takes away money from a company's budget (and hence ability to pay other workers at the company).

I know that I'm going to try to get the most money from my employer that I possibly can - and nearly everyone does the same thing. I don't care if I'm making $100 or $100 million - I'm greedy and I want to get what I think I'm worth. Hate me if you will for my greedy attitude, but chances are, you're exactly the same.

yeah ramseyfan your right. i would do the same thing. but because im in this situation i can't say i will. right now, i would play for the minimum because i love the skins so much, but if i became a good player, than i would want to be payed like one. im glad t.o. is holding out, and i hope it continues into the season. why do i say this, it's because it would benefit the redskins seeing as t.o. wouldn't be on the field, and that's one less person we have to worry about. god bless t.o., and cory simon, and brian westbrook, and all the eagles players holding out.

Mooby,

I'd pay just to put on a Redskins uniform and sit on the sidelines. So, I understand the frustration people have with "spoiled" players who try to get monster deals, hold out, etc.

But, I also understand the players' point of view. What T.O. did for McNabb and company last season (not to mention the team's bottom line and the owner's pocketbook) is nothing short of amazing. I personally dislike T.O. for reasons other than his holdout, but I can't blame him for wanting a new deal. Hey, even our man Portis was going to hold out in Denver (just two years into his deal) before he was traded to our team.

I've said the same thing Paintrain. Unfortunately, not many people agree with us.

I understand the whole idea but players like TO renegotiating contracts IS the reason a lot of people are cut. The more money he gets paid, like you said, is reasoning to cut someone else who ISN'T demanding that money.