Ron Rivera's qualifications for being a evaluator of talent

This isn't a Ron should go subject....

....but rather if he qualifies as a personnel man....

This whole thing with Ron Rivera having power over the front office is the key to the problems we see on the field. Martin Mayhew and Marty Hurney both are substandard personnel executives. This is one area where Rivera's at fault. Only proven and constant winning head coaches should have this power. Very few head coaches are also in charge of personnel.

So far this draft class has contributed zero to the team. Last year we wasted a second rounder on a guy who is injured all the time who’s never played.

The fixes at the Oline of Nick Gates and Andy Wylie have been absolute failures.

Is it RR who is ultimately evaluating these guys though? Maybe the final evaluation I suppose, but it's the player personnel department putting these players in front of him. Yes, RR's ultimately responsible for making the decision, but it's not like he's doing the leg work and scouting all these cats, rank ordering them, etc. Basically, it's failures all around. Everybody's gotta go!

Is it RR who is ultimately evaluating these guys though? Maybe the final evaluation I suppose, but it's the player personnel department putting these players in front of him. Yes, RR's ultimately responsible for making the decision, but it's not like he's doing the leg work and scouting all these cats, rank ordering them, etc. Basically, it's failures all around. Everybody's gotta go!

This. First get a quality GM. He picks a quality HC, who picks a quality coaching staff. Then he picks a quality head of player personnel, who in turn picks a quality scout team. Then he picks all the other support roles like medical, training etc.

It all hinges on a good GM. if we had one we could fire RR any time and probably be fine. We haven't had a good one in donkeys years, and it shows.

Not sure why this warrants a separate thread. Ron's value as a talent evaluator is essentially ZILCH, right? isn't that generally-accepted conventional wisdom?

So far this draft class has contributed zero to the team. Last year we wasted a second rounder on a guy who is injured all the time who’s never played.

The fixes at the Oline of Nick Gates and Andy Wylie have been absolute failures.

Yes, this draft class is terrible and the free agency signings for the offensive line has been a complete fuck up.....all of these seasons ending in 7or 8 wins can be traced back to Ron not knowing what the fuck he is doing.

Is it RR who is ultimately evaluating these guys though? Maybe the final evaluation I suppose, but it's the player personnel department putting these players in front of him. Yes, RR's ultimately responsible for making the decision, but it's not like he's doing the leg work and scouting all these cats, rank ordering them, etc. Basically, it's failures all around. Everybody's gotta go!


Sure the scouts have something to do with it....but our front office is seeing the same draftees and free agents other NFL front offices are evaluating......Ron is just picking poorly.

This. First get a quality GM. He picks a quality HC, who picks a quality coaching staff. Then he picks a quality head of player personnel, who in turn picks a quality scout team. Then he picks all the other support roles like medical, training etc.

It all hinges on a good GM. if we had one we could fire RR any time and probably be fine. We haven't had a good one in donkeys years, and it shows.


Precisely......

Not sure why this warrants a separate thread. Ron's value as a talent evaluator is essentially ZILCH, right? isn't that generally-accepted conventional wisdom?

Well, I haven't seem anyone else talk about it...but it was something I've been thinking on lately especially during this losing streak......the decisions of Dan Snyder is still hindering this team.

I think the personnel decisions have been worse than the coaching decisions. His failure to fix the OL or LB group over 3 years is just... not putting us in a position to win.