Bills Post-Game Thread

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Meks
09-26-2023, 12:23 AM
And no o-line

rocnrik
09-26-2023, 12:29 AM
And no o-line

Yep …. Ron didn’t think that was a priority…

Chief X_Phackter
09-26-2023, 12:59 AM
There's four new starters on the O-line (if you include Cosmi). They made the O-line a priority, and they are better than last year's unit. If you had someone calling plays that would take into account the fact that you have a rookie QB...if you had a more seasoned QB who could get rid of the ball on time and get into the right plays/protections based on what the opposing defense is doing, it wouldn't look as bad as it has.

It's still early, but if they get stomped by Philly because the new OC can't adjust to his personnel and the opposing D, then I don't want to hear anymore about him replacing Ron.

Meks
09-26-2023, 01:19 AM
Agree to disagree. This o line unit is just as bad or worse through 3 games. I hope they improve or something changes scheme wise to assist them. They are hot trash.

2 seconds to the qb majority of the game Sunday. No qb, I don't care how seasoned, is going to perform fantastic under those conditions. And EB sucked Sunday. Too stubborn and ego driven to adjust in game. Hope he takes a long look in the mirror and swallows whatever pride he's clinging to.

And just because they have 4 new bodies, below average bodies, doesn't say "priority" at all lol.

Rolling with new ppl doesn't mean they took the time or gave it the attention needed. Priority would be a shot at improvement, not regression until prove otherwise... to me anyway.

That Guy
09-26-2023, 01:53 AM
OL has been a slow-moving train wreck since last year. Anyone who thought we addressed it in any real way before the season was fooling themselves.

the bad news is there's no way to fix the lack of talent on the OL. adjustments can be made though (more runs, quicker QB decisions, better chips by backs and ends, etc.)

That said, the sky isn't falling. This week's team is not significantly different than the one that won the first 2 games. Rookie QB + bad OL means we're going to take losses. Allen had a 4 int game 2 weeks ago; sometimes things just don't work out.

The improvement at QB, WR, and DB should leave us with a better team this year. Hopefully this offseason they finally get another LB and 3+ OL. I don't like that Howell is heading towards 90+ sacks at this rate, that has given other QBs the yips before.

Chief X_Phackter
09-26-2023, 02:07 AM
I get it. It hasn't looked good for the most part. Last year's O-line seems better I guess, because you had Heinicke running around with his hair on fire most of the game. Either way, I do think bringing in four new starters was taking a shot at improvement. This unit has played together a total of three games with a new QB and a new offense/OC. Defenses are doing what they should do and coming after Howell because he's still learning. It all needs to get better, and with time I think it will - if Sam survives his decisions.

I remember when Philly came in to Fedex in week 3 last year and had 9 sacks, then we turned around and took their undefeated season from them a few weeks later

We're 2-1 for goodness sakes. I understand the hope for next year and beyond, but can't we have a little for the current year too?

AnonEmouse
09-26-2023, 07:29 AM
I get it. It hasn't looked good for the most part. Last year's O-line seems better I guess, because you had Heinicke running around with his hair on fire most of the game. Either way, I do think bringing in four new starters was taking a shot at improvement. This unit has played together a total of three games with a new QB and a new offense/OC. Defenses are doing what they should do and coming after Howell because he's still learning. It all needs to get better, and with time I think it will - if Sam survives his decisions.

I remember when Philly came in to Fedex in week 3 last year and had 9 sacks, then we turned around and took their undefeated season from them a few weeks later

We're 2-1 for goodness sakes. I understand the hope for next year and beyond, but can't we have a little for the current year too?

I'm of the same mind. I actually like what I see from SH, even the Bills game. He was trying to conjure something up, maybe trying too hard, and for me said all the right things afterwards. He just has to follow up and show its not just talk.

Almost every O is still establishing an identity by week 3 or 4. I think EB is feeling out what he has, and I think he trusts SH to learn fast on the job. Question is, can he adjust his play calling on the fly better than he did this game. Screen and run game should have been a focus to mitigate the Bills DL and particularly their LBs, but it felt like EB thought we could pass our way out of trouble. At 13-0 down the sky wasn't falling, so slow the game down and keep the Bills O off the field; try to grind it out.

D didn't help, though turnovers didn't make their job easier. I was worried they would expose our LBs and that largely came to pass. For me, Hudson was made for games like this (covering TEs and edge blitz pressure) and I have to wonder why he's not being utilised. Starters aren't getting it done...

We're middle of the pack at this stage. How we fare against the Eagles and Cowboys will determine our season, and for me its far from a lost cause yet. We have to see the Giants as 2 winnable games, so 4-2 in the division would be a good result. Right now though I'd say 2 losses to the Eagles would be no surprise. I can see us being 5-2 by the second Eagles game, and 7-4 (maybe 8-3) by the 1st Cowboys game. That would put pressure on Dallas and give us a good chance if at least 1 win against them.

This season is far from over.

mredskins
09-26-2023, 09:15 AM
this kind of annoys me.

https://twitter.com/BuffaloBills/status/1706036245074190690?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1706036245074190690%7Ctwgr% 5E0cf348b47420560308fa4c6cefe9382520f9926f%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.espn.com%2F

Hmmm, if your going brag at least make sure your brag is accurate. Old Bay is a Baltimore thing not DC. Lame.

hagams
09-26-2023, 09:37 AM
I try and wait a few days before talking about the positives/negatives of the game. I'm not fazed by the outcome of the game; the Bills are a far superior team in all facets of the game.

O-Line: We should be expecting this type of play from this group. They were a problem last year, this preseason, and will continue to be a problem. Ron is to blame, and this should have been addressed. His idea of playing solid defense, running the ball, and controlling the clock won't work if we can' t create holes for our backs and protect QB1.

Sam: I'm not worried about it. The kid is still a rookie in the grand scheme of things. I fully expect him to trend upward the more EB works with him.

Ron: As much as I like him as a person, he is the mid-tier coach that we knew we were getting. If we don't make the playoffs and win a game this year, he needs to be gone.

Defense: Decent job considering who we were playing. J. Allen is a monster.

Dallas lost to the Jets. We beat the Jets. We are better than Dallas:)

Chief X_Phackter
09-26-2023, 09:58 AM
We had 8.1 yards per rush vs the Bills. The O-line had something to do with that. Sam didn't play great, but he needs help from his OC. Bills just continued to tee off on him, and EB did nothing to adjust to that - just kept inexplicably calling pass plays and putting him in positions to fail. The part of the game plan that was so successful against the Broncos must have been misplaced in Denver. 29 passes compared to 13 rushes was a recipe for a 30+ point loss.

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