Sam howell takes Down Dallas postgame

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Chief X_Phackter
01-10-2023, 12:21 PM
Definitely cannot but the question is how much do we want to pay or give up for that competition based on what we saw? I mean there is definitely a little blind faith involved moving forward. I saw enough to say let’s roll the dice and not give up picks to move up for anyone coming out this year. Probably enough to pass on someone who falls to us and take oline or cb or something else we need. If we take someone in the fourth or Fifth again like maybe the kid out of byu (forget his name) and let them battle it out thats fine.

How much do we want to pay or give up - is the question. Personally, I do not want to give up picks to move up for a QB in the draft this year, and I don't want a repeat of what we did with Wentz (i.e. D Carr...et al). I just want to bring in a Veteran QB with NFL experience, at a reasonable backup QB price, so that there is some competition for Sam. He could very well win the job, and I hope he does - legitimately. Maybe that Veteran is Taylor. Based on his recent comments, he would be happy being the backup here. I think that is best case scenario (if Scott Turner stays as OC) rather than bringing in a Veteran who has to learn this system.

sdskinsfan2001
01-10-2023, 12:28 PM
My thinking is that Howell will be better than Heinicke or Wentz. Simply replacing Turner and going with Howell could probably be a couple game swing. Even if Turner stays, I think Howell makes at least a 1 game difference by himself.

You can save all the picks to build up the rest of the team around Howell. Then if it doesn't work out, you go into 2024 with a way better roster to insert a new QB into in 2024.

Give Howell a chance, save the resources, build up the rest of the roster (especially the offensive line).

Chief X_Phackter
01-10-2023, 12:39 PM
My thinking is that Howell will be better than Heinicke or Wentz. Simply replacing Turner and going with Howell could probably be a couple game swing. Even if Turner stays, I think Howell makes at least a 1 game difference by himself.

You can save all the picks to build up the rest of the team around Howell. Then if it doesn't work out, you go into 2024 with a way better roster to insert a new QB into in 2024.

Give Howell a chance, save the resources, build up the rest of the roster (especially the offensive line).

I think that is probably going to prove to be true, and obviously that is the best case scenario for this team. I am just not willing to draw that conclusion after seeing him throw 19 passes and run 5 times, and the Coaching staff shouldn't be either.

skinsfaninok
01-10-2023, 12:41 PM
Ron said today that they like Sam and will evalute the position soon.. Basically same shit we knew he'd say

Ruhskins
01-10-2023, 12:58 PM
Ron said today that they like Sam and will evalute the position soon.. Basically same shit we knew he'd say

A lot of bs coach speak goes on at these end of the season pressers. Don't think it is even worth it getting worked up about it IMO.

punch it in
01-10-2023, 01:39 PM
How much do we want to pay or give up - is the question. Personally, I do not want to give up picks to move up for a QB in the draft this year, and I don't want a repeat of what we did with Wentz (i.e. D Carr...et al). I just want to bring in a Veteran QB with NFL experience, at a reasonable backup QB price, so that there is some competition for Sam. He could very well win the job, and I hope he does - legitimately. Maybe that Veteran is Taylor. Based on his recent comments, he would be happy being the backup here. I think that is best case scenario (if Scott Turner stays as OC) rather than bringing in a Veteran who has to learn this system.


That is best case scenario too imo. Problem is i have zero faith in Rons ability to evaluate anyone. Even people who have been here. I also have zero faith in Turner being able to put Sam, Taylor, or anyone else in an optimum position to succeed.

Chico23231
01-10-2023, 01:53 PM
How much do we want to pay or give up - is the question. Personally, I do not want to give up picks to move up for a QB in the draft this year, and I don't want a repeat of what we did with Wentz (i.e. D Carr...et al). I just want to bring in a Veteran QB with NFL experience, at a reasonable backup QB price, so that there is some competition for Sam. He could very well win the job, and I hope he does - legitimately. Maybe that Veteran is Taylor. Based on his recent comments, he would be happy being the backup here. I think that is best case scenario (if Scott Turner stays as OC) rather than bringing in a Veteran who has to learn this system.

First thing we gotta know, is Scott Turner here next year? If so, offer Henike the 4.5 per back up QB money and explain the vision is he will be the primary back up. But know if they find a QB they like in the draft, they will take him.

If Scott Turner is gone…then Henike should be too. The value in TH was he knew the Turner system inside/out. From what I heard Turner offense is pretty complicated. Depending on new OC, that should indicate which veteran QB to bring in.

(Please let it be Nathaniel Hackett and let the QB be AR)

SunnySide
01-10-2023, 02:25 PM
As a retired QB, and by retired I mean not good enough to ever sniff pro-ball lol, I can attest that the NCAAF and NFL footballs are completely different.

I preferred the college football myself. But I threw that one way more. I just had a NFL ball as a personal football, never had to use it in a game.

I had a legit NFL ball from that Bengals bust of a QB, taken like 1st or 2nd overall like 20 years ago .... its was amazing. Felt totally different, like a softer material and you could sling and spin it easier than store bought NFL balls

Lamar Jackson had issues changing to NFL balls and there was a good bit of articles/talk about that

SFREDSKIN
01-10-2023, 03:28 PM
For all the shit we have given Turner, including myself. He did one thing right, the team dominated the time of possession (#1 overall) Turner’s problem is that he calls the wrong plays at the wrong time and puts the wrong personnel or tries to get cute. If he can fix those issues, things could be different. The question is, can he?

BaltimoreSkins
01-10-2023, 04:09 PM
For all the shit we have given Turner, including myself. He did one thing right, the team dominated the time of possession (#1 overall) Turner’s problem is that he calls the wrong plays at the wrong time and puts the wrong personnel or tries to get cute. If he can fix those issues, things could be different. The question is, can he?

I thought Howell's first TD was a great play. Terry over the middle with a LB cover. It was an easy first read and Howell did a good job of looking at where Terry would be instead of following the receiver.

The play that Scott loves that drives me nuts in the handoff from shot gun. He did that on first and goal before the int. It is so stupid, in short yardage situations the number one indicator of running play success is RB velocity at handoff. How do you slow down velocity? By decreasing the distance between QB and RB by putting him in shotgun. Scott loves it (he is not alone but I rarely see it work).

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