The Sam Howell Thread

I disagree. I know it isn’t the popular opinion but if Sam had time and the deep routes could develop nobody would be complaining about running the ball. It would actually open up the run.

Nobody complained about Don Coryell not running enough lol. I hope we become an absolute beast of a passing team with EB and Sam.

Ill also point again to KC’s offense. They have scored 30 points twice this year. Do not be so quick to get rid of EB. A better line will help take the top off defenses and open up the run.

Not running enough? Did you forget Chuck Muncie

EB isn’t the problem. He’s a pass first OC and we all knew that. He’s making the games fun to watch at the very least


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EB isn’t the problem. He’s a pass first OC and we all knew that. He’s making the games fun to watch at the very least


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When you don’t have a balanced offense, it is a problem especially when you have 3 capable RB’s. He needs to use them like that drive were he went 4 straight runs.

12 rush attempts by our backs yesterday in the rain. 51 yards

25 by Seattle ... just over 100 yards

He will run it more I’m thinking but he also trusts Sam to be a dude and he has been. BRob has been very good too. Maybe EB doesn’t think the OL is good enough to run the ball much.. idk


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12 rush attempts by our backs yesterday in the rain. 51 yards

25 by Seattle ... just over 100 yards

He will run it more I’m thinking but he also trusts Sam to be a dude and he has been. BRob has been very good too. Maybe EB doesn’t think the OL is good enough to run the ball much.. idk


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They aren’t and they aren’t good enough in pass pro either. Defenses don’t respect them and they stack the box. Need to have a threat of a deep ball so they back off. Will help the pass and run game.

12 rush attempts by our backs yesterday in the rain. 51 yards

25 by Seattle ... just over 100 yards


And yet the defense lost the game. 26 (27 with the ep) should be enough to win the game. Idc how they score 27 points.

My argument to this is what did the Chargers ever win? They sure had some really good teams back then, Coryell was a great coach, but they could never close the deal.

When you have an offense like this, sure it's great for numbers and all, but you are going to have days where passing the ball isn't going work- it could be that your opponent has a great rush, weather, injuries...

There are some exceptions of course but having a pass first at all cost offense generally does not mean winning a SB.

Sam is good enough to work w/ another OC. That is the least of my worries.


Sam is clicking and id hate to introduce him to his third offense in 3 years. Hopefully a new HC will lean on EB to balance the attack.

Im not denying the fact that he shys away from the run but if we had any semblance of a defense we would probably have 7 wins right now or more and this wouldn’t be an issue.

It's hard to separate coaching issues from personnel issues. But here are a few things about Bieniemy's O this year that leave me underwhelmed:

1) our WRs are not getting separation. Even Turner could scheme guys open near every play but he was stuck with Heinicke's noodle arm.

2) the running game. I don't mind being pass heavy, or even super pass-heavy. I also don't mind using the quick game as a substitute for the run game. But our line doesn't block that well in the screen game, either. And many of our designed runs this year have been out of shotgun, which I HATE. We have a big, bruising back in BRob and a line that doesn't run block very well. So why are we running out of shotgun where the back generates less momentum and takes more time to get to the line? Our OL are already losing their blocks by then. If you're going to run out of shotgun, use more RPOs.

3) very few adjustments before halftime.

4) inability to start the right linemen for what, 7 games? Sam taking all those hits and sacks was criminal.

My hot take here is: I genuinely wonder what the O would look like if we kept Scott Turner but gave him a real QB in Howell. Turner wanted to unleash the pass game, too, and did just that in Wentz's first start against Jacksonville. Then he crashed and burned, we went to Heinicke who doesn't have an arm, and Turner resorted to what we ended up with. His other big flaw was marrying the pass game and the run game in terms of game flow, but we just straight up don't run the ball these days, anyway.

Turner lost the locker room so he had to go. But the fact EB yells a lot or whatever isn't prima facie an upgrade. Howell would make a lot of O coordinators look good.