Welcome Carson Wentz

He has failed w/ TWO teams w/ TWO coaches that PLAYED QB in the NFL..lol. Think about that for a minute. You're saying I'm judging him by an eye test?? If these two coaches can not get him right but Scott Turner is supposed to?? hahaha.

Now you've got your cap space taken up by this bum. How do you re-sign McKissic??

This is such a swing for the fences move by Ron. I have lost all faith in him now. He isn't a GM. He is just a so so coach w/ a losing record.

I see it differently - obviously, and it's not like he's taking up any more cap space than other capable Veteran QBs are for their respective teams. They'll have to get creative, that's the nature of the beast.

Watch him when his team needed him the most. He shit all over himself against the worst team in the league. Winning QB's don't do that.

I have just never really been a fan of the guy. It's like the league caught up to him and he had no change up. He is always trying to make superman plays ducking under the d-linemen, then he either fumbles or takes horrible sacks. He just makes way too many bad plays. He is a bigger version of RG3.

Again, when two teams move on from you that is just a really bad sign. Real bad. Ballard is a solid GM, he's not going to just get rid of his starting QB for no reason.

If you're being intellectually honest, you can acknowledge that he still pats the ball and delays throwing it in rhythm, still takes sacks more than most, and he still misses throws which is what got him run out of Philly more than anything else.

But you can also clearly see he can bomb the ball downfield with pretty good accuracy, he can throw off balance, he can still escape, and he's still a pain in the ass to bring to the ground because of his size.

The off balance throws is how he passed for 27 TDs, watch the highlights, so many were off balance. He'll make off schedule plays - Heinicke did that, but more with his legs than anything. Carson can do it by scrambling and throwing 30 yards downfield.

There are positives here but there are also limitations. I actually struggle to see how people hate this move. He's an average quarterback, making average starting quarterback money, and we gave up two picks that turn into average NFL players.

The grade here starts with C for that reason, and if he repeats a 27-7 type of performance for us, it goes up to B or higher. There's no chance we hurt ourselves in the long run - we can cut him at this time next year and carry $0 dead money into 2023.

I think you're upset because you didn't get Russell Wilson, not because you got Carson Wentz.

I think value wise Wentz puts you in a better position to win games than two third rounders so the cost doesn’t bother me.

I think value wise Wentz puts you in a better position to win games than two third rounders so the cost doesn’t bother me.

That's the rational way to look at this.

The irrational way is to feel disappointment that we didn't get one of the big fish (Rodgers Wilson Watson), and let that cloud our evaluation of Wentz himself.

If Wentz sucks, you'll be picking in the top 10 next year, and you can cut him with no cap problems. In position to solve QB then in the draft.

Have you landed a guy that makes you a super bowl contender? Probably not. That's why the disappointment, he's not Russell Wilson.

If you're being intellectually honest, you can acknowledge that he still pats the ball and delays throwing it in rhythm, still takes sacks more than most, and he still misses throws which is what got him run out of Philly more than anything else.

But you can also clearly see he can bomb the ball downfield with pretty good accuracy, he can throw off balance, he can still escape, and he's still a pain in the ass to bring to the ground because of his size.

The off balance throws is how he passed for 27 TDs, watch the highlights, so many were off balance. He'll make off schedule plays - Heinicke did that, but more with his legs than anything. Carson can do it by scrambling and throwing 30 yards downfield.

There are positives here but there are also limitations. I actually struggle to see how people hate this move. He's an average quarterback, making average starting quarterback money, and we gave up two picks that turn into average NFL players.

The grade here starts with C for that reason, and if he repeats a 27-7 type of performance for us, it goes up to B or higher. There's no chance we hurt ourselves in the long run - we can cut him at this time next year and carry $0 dead money into 2023.

I think you're upset because you didn't get Russell Wilson, not because you got Carson Wentz.

Agreed on everything said.

Why wouldnt we be on the hook for about 12.2M in bonus money? Ive seen this said but just by fans

Wentz is better than Hurts and Jones guys let’s seriously be real here. The eye test and stats will show that. Jones is a horrible passer and Hurts ain’t much better.

Like I said he’s not elite by any means but he’s as good as the best option we had left which was Winston

You put it more logically than I Schneed. In terms of salary low 20 mil is reasonable if he gets his bonuses then he had a good season and probably so did the team so no big deal there either.

Agreed on everything said.

Why wouldnt we be on the hook for about 12.2M in bonus money? Ive seen this said but just by fans

Those are roster bonuses in 2023 and 2024, they are not guaranteed. They only become guaranteed if he's on the roster by the third day after the league year starts. Cut him before then, don't owe him shit.

And PS fans don't know shit, I know shit.

All I want is to be half way excited about Sundays in the fall, that is all, I am a simple man.

If you're being intellectually honest, you can acknowledge that he still pats the ball and delays throwing it in rhythm, still takes sacks more than most, and he still misses throws which is what got him run out of Philly more than anything else.

But you can also clearly see he can bomb the ball downfield with pretty good accuracy, he can throw off balance, he can still escape, and he's still a pain in the ass to bring to the ground because of his size.

The off balance throws is how he passed for 27 TDs, watch the highlights, so many were off balance. He'll make off schedule plays - Heinicke did that, but more with his legs than anything. Carson can do it by scrambling and throwing 30 yards downfield.

There are positives here but there are also limitations. I actually struggle to see how people hate this move. He's an average quarterback, making average starting quarterback money, and we gave up two picks that turn into average NFL players.

The grade here starts with C for that reason, and if he repeats a 27-7 type of performance for us, it goes up to B or higher. There's no chance we hurt ourselves in the long run - we can cut him at this time next year and carry $0 dead money into 2023.

I think you're upset because you didn't get Russell Wilson, not because you got Carson Wentz.

Totally wrong on Wilson. We had zero chance w/ him. It was never going to happen here.

I just don't see the 3rd round and 2nd round picks being average. They could turn to be a lot more. As I said out best player is a 2nd rounder.

My point is you can go out and get an average QB and not give up the compensation. I mention maybe not re-signing McKissic. We talked about Mitch, Winston and so on. Ok maybe they sign elsewhere. Then what about Bridgewater? He knows this offense. He is also an average QB. You can get the same production out of him w/out the financial cost or draft pick comp.

Yes Wentz has highlights but he also has a lot of lowlights. A lot of them. I think Ballard said that the problem w/ this guy is he simply misses the layups. He misses the easy routine plays that any NFL QB can make. That is why has has been moved twice.