2022 Commanders off season thread part 1

Thing is with Jamin Davis, he was never advertised as a plug and play guy. We knew he was going to be a project simply based on his lack of experience coming out of college. Couple that with tossing him into the deep end having to learn MLB and that's a tough ask for any rookie. We shouldn't shy away from taking a rookie MLB based on what we've seen from JD.

Not knowing much about college football I'll have to trust you on that.
But I get the feeling MLB may be the hardest defensive position to learn in the NFL, you're making the calls, you have to know all other 10 players's assignment, and read both an NFL passing offense and an NFL run blocking scheme.
I also feel like you never want to be in a position to have to reach, and to me with no pre draft signing this is such a need that they would almost have to, unless they are in continuous contact with available FA MLBs interested to sign here after the draft...

The fan experience for football is fun, but the games are brutal to watch the talent differential even in conference is usually extreme.

Watching a typical BCS is like watching a grand prix between a Ferrari Modena and Renault Avantime. When a BCS team plays FCS team forget it that Ferrari might as well be racing a Vespa Primavera

We only have about $10M available right now and who knows if he would even want to come here.

So, it's up to Ron Rivera to get him to listen and to make enough cap space available to sign him.

Thing is with Jamin Davis, he was never advertised as a plug and play guy. We knew he was going to be a project simply based on his lack of experience coming out of college. Couple that with tossing him into the deep end having to learn MLB and that's a tough ask for any rookie. We shouldn't shy away from taking a rookie MLB based on what we've seen from JD.

Agreed. Jamin started for 1 year plus.

Lloyd is a 3 year starter, Dean 2 years.

I might be a bit jaded re rookie MLB due to Jamin Davis experience. Who can still be a baller, physical traits are there.

100% not giving up on Davis.

Agreed. Jamin started for 1 year plus.

Lloyd is a 3 year starter, Dean 2 years.

I might be a bit jaded re rookie MLB due to Jamin Davis experience. Who can still be a baller, physical traits are there.

100% not giving up on Davis.

+1

JD was obviously not ready for MLB, but I hope settling in on the weak side this year playing with someone who has experience at MLB - guessing it's gonna be through the draft unless we get a late FA signing will help. But we obviously still gotta do something at MLB.

I don't think it was JD fault, just a massive oversight by the FO to expect him to come into a position after 1 year of college and to make the calls for an NFL D, rather than bringing in an established veteran and letting JD learn at WLB. One of the keys to this team winning is having a good defence and that starts with the MLB making adjustments and alignments. Using another pick on a MLB this years means at best he will be on a learning curve for the first half of the season.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FPGqSqsXwAMK0Q2?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

YOOO These are FIRE

YOOO These are FIRE

Is that image 20,000 x 10,000? My computer almost caught fire trying to process that one lol.

I like the helmets, the rest could be improved imo. Put a stripe on the pant legs.

Yeah, pants or socks need stripes

Yeah with our current cap, even the bump we get post June 1, id rather use it to extend Terry and find a more affordable vet option at MLB.

I was speaking more in general terms.

Theres positions you can fill in FA for pretty decent decent value (G, C, LB, RB)

Other positions are so much more expensive in FA (QB, WR, CB, T)

LB is kinda middle ground for me. Good ones cost money in FA, not WR/QB/CB/T money but more than G/C/RB.

Im starting to think MLB is a hard jump from college to NFL and you might better be served adding a vet MLB through FA who has already acclimated to the position

vs taking a MLB in the first round, then coaching him up for 1-3 years.

MLB might be the hardest position to go from college to NFL. At QB at least your coaching staff can manage a playbook to a rookie QBs strengths. As a rookie MLB, offensive coordinators get to call the plays and target your weaknesses.

ikd just watching Jamin Davis has been somewhat eye opening

Yeah the thing is we were so focused on QBs and WRs big $ contracts going through the roof we didn't realize that LBs contracts took quite the bump too.
Maybe I'm mistaken but I feel like not so long ago it was quite an underpaid position (Maybe Schneed's memory can help me out there ?)... Now per spotrac (https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/contracts/sort-value/inside-linebacker/limit-100/), only for inside LB, you have 2 guys at 17M+/y, 2 at 14M+/y and a couple more around 10M/y...

Point being, Bobby Wagner coming of 18M/y is probably not a viable option... But what about Schobert, Hitchens, Hightower, Van Noy, Minter, Kwon Alexander, Alec Ogletree etc... (https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/inside-linebacker/all/) They're not all getting 15M+/y, are they ?

I think Mooby just made an excellent point for the need of a proven vet: help Davis on his learning curve. If you're moving Holcomb to MLB this will be a challenge for him, he might be able to do a very decent job because he's smart, but will he be able to give Davis indications/tips when he needs to ?
Moving Holcomb to Mike if we had 2 proven vets as Will and Sam would be one thing, doing so with a second year player who took some strides but didn't specifically shine last year at WLB and God knows who at SLB is a whole other deal...

Again not saying waiting for after the draft is crazy, but you better have some guys you're confident you can sign !