The stadium thread 2: New stadium boogaloo

I get the economic value but I just don't know if it translates to a home field advantage come playoff time for the on field product. I will have to see if I can find it but I read an article a few weeks ago how home teams in a dome at playoff have a lower winning percentage than open air stadium teams. Of course to an owner that is meaningless as it is all about economics.

I personally don't like domes, but realize many do.

Not sure there is much in the way of economic advantage. Getting the Super Bowl provides some fun for a couple of weeks, but no lasting economic boost.

It's not just about being able to host a SB, it's the year round use with concerts, other sporting events, conventions, etc. that bring the lasting economic boost vs having an open air stadium that basically sits dormant for months at a time during the winter.

The mini city development is pretty cool. Hotels, restaurants, bars, shops, condos, open spaces, live music and a casino

Get a room Saturday, dip in the pool, get dinner around 7, some drinks, live music, wake up next day, grab breakfast and a few bloody marys, walk to the game, skins win, drive home about $800 broker

It's not just about being able to host a SB, it's the year round use with concerts, other sporting events, conventions, etc. that bring the lasting economic boost vs having an open air stadium that basically sits dormant for months at a time during the winter.

That is where I was headed when I was talking about economics. An indoor facility might actually live up to the promise of a revenue generator for the community while most are just a tax drainer.

In terms of dome field advantage for the on field product this is what I found:

https://edge.twinspires.com/nfl/is-there-such-a-thing-as-dome-field-advantage-in-the-nfl/#:~:text=583%20win%20percentage%2C%20while%20dome, won%2038.8%25%20on%20the%20road.

I thought I read it in a more reliable resource. There are other compilations of data that show similar but were from before 2015 so outdated.

It's not just about being able to host a SB, it's the year round use with concerts, other sporting events, conventions, etc. that bring the lasting economic boost vs having an open air stadium that basically sits dormant for months at a time during the winter.

I hear you and that does seem the case at first glance.

But all those things you mention are still more sporadic than not. They also require a lot of services (cops) to be diverted.

The Super Dome has not economically boosted New Orleans. SoFi is not going to make much difference in LA. They are great places to play and the Super Dome, in walking distance to the pleasures of the French Quarter, is great for SBs.

There are already a plethora of convention centers and convert venues in this area. Only a few performers would justify using a dome and the Stones are getting long in the tooth. ;)

Now as Sunnyside said, a stadium can sometimes be an economic boon if, like Nationals Park, it helps promote new development. Something on the RFK site might promote that.

:)

Looking at NFL (or College Football) Stadiums that I´ve seen on TV or pictures I notice that in the US it´s mostly "completely open" or "dome". Please correct me if I´m wrong.

In Germany or Austria it´s mostly "open field but a roof over the stands". For examples, please google Fritz-Walter-Stadion or Allianz-Arena.

So, basically, you still have the weather influencing the game as it should be for an outdoor sports but the fans are at least dry even when it´s raining.

I hadn't really thought about it before but you're right, us Europeans do like a bit of shelter from the elements. I remember my trip to RFK in '94 and not being conscious of sitting in the sun for 3 hours; nice touch of sunburn afterwards :D.

As to the advantage I'd suggest cold region stadiums probably see more home field advantage against warm region teams than not. i.e. It doesn't seem to impact the Bills v Patriots results as much!

The last thing I want is my tax dollars going to Dan Snyder to build his stupid stadium. There is literally NO WHERE for him to put it in Va. Stay over in there in Raljon.

Youngkin can assemble his football authority all he wants. When it comes down to it where are you going to go? Where can you put a stadium in Va?

Back in the early 90's Cooke was going to build it in the area that is now Potomac Yard. That would have been a hell of a location but it never happened. You could've had it there and built all around it. The building happened years later but no stadium.. :-(

The mini city development is pretty cool. Hotels, restaurants, bars, shops, condos, open spaces, live music and a casino

Get a room Saturday, dip in the pool, get dinner around 7, some drinks, live music, wake up next day, grab breakfast and a few bloody marys, walk to the game, skins win, drive home about $800 broker

That sound great and all but the only place to do that is National Harbor.

The last thing I want is my tax dollars going to Dan Snyder to build his stupid stadium. There is literally NO WHERE for him to put it in Va. Stay over in there in Raljon.

Youngkin can assemble his football authority all he wants. When it comes down to it where are you going to go? Where can you put a stadium in Va?

Back in the early 90's Cooke was going to build it in the area that is now Potomac Yard. That would have been a hell of a location but it never happened. You could've had it there and built all around it. The building happened years later but no stadium.. :-(

Cook also wanted to raze RFK and build a new stadium there. Most notably he offered to foot most of the bill.

Discussion eventually derailed and FedEx Field was born. I used to blame then Mayor Kelley for turning down a great offer. But I have come to realize that Cook in his final years could not have been the easiest man to deal with.

I hear you and that does seem the case at first glance.

But all those things you mention are still more sporadic than not. They also require a lot of services (cops) to be diverted.

The Super Dome has not economically boosted New Orleans. SoFi is not going to make much difference in LA. They are great places to play and the Super Dome, in walking distance to the pleasures of the French Quarter, is great for SBs.

There are already a plethora of convention centers and convert venues in this area. Only a few performers would justify using a dome and the Stones are getting long in the tooth. ;)

Now as Sunnyside said, a stadium can sometimes be an economic boon if, like Nationals Park, it helps promote new development. Something on the RFK site might promote that.

:)

Nah, I mean I can't speak for everybody but it's a fairly common arrangement around here for cops to work OT security details (that the requesting venue pays for) at grocery stores/stadiums/etc. - all those cops you see working at Fedex on gamedays are probably all getting OT that's paid for by the WFT/league - there is no way in hell a department would shift most of its' resources to working a game and leave coverage thin everywhere else.